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Putin try to kill Bush?

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posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 11:27 AM
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TBILISI, Georgia - The man who confessed to throwing a live grenade toward President Bush during a May rally in Georgia has no connection with Russian forces, an official said Friday.

Suspicions that the man might be linked to Russian forces in the country followed reports that Russian military uniforms were found in his house after he was arrested during a shootout with police Wednesday. One Georgian policeman was killed, and the suspect was wounded in the shooting.

"I confirm categorically that he never served in our structures," said Col. Vladimir Kuparadze, deputy commander of Russia's forces in Georgia. "As to the Russian military uniforms, getting those in Georgia doesn't present any difficulty."

Russia has troops at two military bases in Georgia and their withdrawal, now scheduled for 2008, had been a tense issue. Georgia and Russia agreed in June on a withdrawal date.

Vladimir Arutyunian, 27, admitted in video footage shown Thursday that he threw the grenade that landed near a podium where Bush was speaking in the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, officials said. The grenade malfunctioned and did not explode.


its possible, since they dont like the Bush Administration telling the Russians to pull out of Georgia, not to mention interfering in their territorial influence in Central Asia, with countries revolting against leaders supported by Russia and especially Putin.




posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 02:18 PM
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... yea right. And that's why Russian FSB hired the guy and have him the russian uniform, russian passport, an appartment in Moscow, a million dollar account in Switzerland and a malfunctioned grenade.

If it were Russians, we'd do it more accurate.



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 04:11 PM
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If this is true then I bet Vladimir Putin won't be invited back to Bush's ranch to clear brush again anytime soon!



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Nordix
... yea right. And that's why Russian FSB hired the guy and have him the russian uniform, russian passport, an appartment in Moscow, a million dollar account in Switzerland and a malfunctioned grenade.

If it were Russians, we'd do it more accurate.


Yeah man, if Russia put the guy up to it, they would at least give him a grenade that worked.



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 09:01 PM
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Sorry, this is pretty extreme... as bsbray11 noted, if Putin wanted Bush dead, he'd be dead. Likewise, if Bush wanted Putin dead, he'd be dead. I find it hard to believe that we went through the cold war without assasinating each other's leaders only for someone to try it over "not liking to be pushed around."

-koji K.



posted on Jul, 23 2005 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by koji_K
Sorry, this is pretty extreme... as bsbray11 noted, if Putin wanted Bush dead, he'd be dead. Likewise, if Bush wanted Putin dead, he'd be dead. I find it hard to believe that we went through the cold war without assasinating each other's leaders only for someone to try it over "not liking to be pushed around."


Not to mention that the assassination of a world leader is an overt declaration of war... do you seriously think that any nation out there would attempt to wage a "real" war with the USA? Especially more doubtful from a nuclear power. And, conversely, in order for President Bush to be able to request the assassination of a world leader or Head of State he would first have to change or recind executive order 12333 section 2.11. Without first recinding or changing section 2.11 the President would be guilty of murder and treason under US law.

The reason Osama and Al Qaeda aren't "protected" by American law, specifically executive order 12333, is because they are deemed "combatants" and not political targets (as was Saddam, as was Kadafi).

What does it take for POTUS to change an executive order? Well, it takes a pen for a signature and usually a typewriter (no approval by Congress or the Senate is required). Would the world at large know that an Executive Order has been changed? Usually, but not always, some Executive Orders can be deemed classfied and therefore not released to the public. Although the scenario of EO12333-2.11 being changed by a classified Executive Order is extremely unlikely.

Does international law forbid the assassination of political leaders?
This is a sticky question, legal scholars say. The U.N. Charter states that “in peacetime, the citizens of a nation, whether they are political officials or private individuals,” are supposed to be immune “from intentional acts of violence by citizens, agents or military forces of another nation.” But in wartime, international law allows the targeted killing of a member of the enemy’s chain of command, even the head of state, whether that person is a civilian or a military officer, and regardless of the means employed. (source)

So, in order for the President to order the assassination of another Head of State (ie Putin) he would have to first declare war on Russia (under international law). Or, the US would have to first convince the free world that Putin was a terrorist and therefore deemed a combatant. (which wouldn't happen)

Hope that helps with the question a bit.

[edit on 23-7-2005 by CatHerder]



posted on Jul, 23 2005 @ 06:11 PM
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Bush could'nt kill Putin if he tryed but Puttin could do in Bush anytime.




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