Germany's Awesome Power.

If you think about if Germany has to be an impressively awesome nation. I'm not giving off some buyist crap here [I'm British for Pete's Sake] but if you think about it Germany has versed the world on 2 occasions and come close to victory on both of those occasions. Even after the German nation wa shattered one time in ww1 it came back and managed to fight a second world war 22 years later! Then after that they got crushed again to the point of collapse and again they have come back and is now the world's thrid largest economy!!! I mean you have to hand it to the Germans in terms of military and economy they are the elite of the elite. Imagine if they didn't fight the 2 world wars they would crap [sorry if this cuases offence but it's true] on the USA.

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Yeah they amazed me aswell how well they have rebuilded germany time and time again.

tell me about it. No country in history has gone through what they have. It's amazing what those Germans have done!!

So whats the Weaponry relation?

Weaponry relation is the past and present ability of Germany to become a military superpower that's what. Also there ability to take on the whole world twice and recuperate.

Originally posted by Uk_United
Weaponry relation is the past and present ability of Germany to become a military superpower that's what. Also there ability to take on the whole world twice and recuperate.

yes, but its history...


germany is now nothing special, it is even less powerful than france or uk by military, there are just two things we are best at left:

- world wide most per capita patents
- exports world champion (highest export excess of all nations on earth)

germany has 82.5 million people
usa has 290 million people
china has 1,300 million people

how should we be able to compete?

Just the european nations combined could compete against such powers!

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Of course Germany hasn't got a large army now. Can you imagine if Germany built up it's army again...I mean it would be like giving three strikes to the same country But come on it is absolutlely amazing how Germany was able to take on the world twice and nearly win on both occasions! The only thing from stopping Germany from winning ww1 was the addition of American troops to the Western Front [250 000 per week after they got heavily involved] and the only thing stopping Hitler from winnning WW2 was well....Hitler's crappy command of the army [Germany was unstoppable until the madman wasted resources on Jew killing and crappy tactics]

It wasnt the US involvement in WW2, it was the completely underestimation of Russia that decided the fate of the war. Still, the effectiveness of the german army if viewed from a militaristic POV only is impressive.

Take, for example, the performance of german pilots. More than 100 germans had 100 air victories or more during WW2, the most effective of all time being Erich Hartmann with 352 victories (from 1942-1945, so already in a time when the german military was in decline). The best allied ace was Ivan Kozhedub with 62 air victories. This is just to show an undeniable discrepancy in talent and training some parts of the german military had.

However, the way both WWs were fought, it was inevitable to lose for Germany, and thats because the highest commanders in each war stopped to listen to their advisors at some point. One can ask a lot ifs and whens and buts as to whether with a less offensive strategy Germany would have fared better.

The most interesting part of the this discussion for me is where Germany would be today if they had not engaged in these meatgrinder wars and instead had not expelled some of the brightest heads the 20th century, if not human history as whole, had seen since then; expelled because they were of jewish ascendancy or had non-fitting political beliefs.

Nice quote:


"I'll be the brains!" - Adolph Hitler in a contemptuous response to a question from a German journalist who had the nerve to ask him "Where he would find the brains to run the country if he took it over"; 1931.

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After all, much of the german technical and economical success can be credited to the ominous term "german engineering". Many factories in Russia still operate more than 60 years old machinery that was deported as spoils of war (including "Pfaff"sewing machines from the 1910s, only modernized with electric motors). Some african pumpworks from the colonial times is still working. Or a recent example: The Mercedes 240/D8 that ran 4.6 million km as a Taxi in Greece (although the engine was replaced twice):



And not to forget: the lightbulb was invented by Heinreich Göbel decades before Thomas Edison The Brits did a great service to Germany by forcing the labels "Made in ..." on their products. Originally intended to be a mock against german economy, only ten years later the sign "Made in (West) Germany" was a worldwide accepted proof of highest quality with virtually any product.

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"We taught them a lesson in 1918, and they've hardly bothered us since then" (Tom Lehrer 1964)

The much vaunted German rise to world power encompasses The Franco-Prussian War, The Great War, and World War II. Covering a span of roughly 3/4 of a century, these seven decades are a remarkable example of Teutonic agility and a people who grasped the industrial revolution by the throat and weilded it as a weapon to achieve their evolving efforts at 'Lebensraum".
Interested readers should acquire and peruse "The Arms of Krupp".... a huge non-fiction effort documenting the history of germanic arms from the 13th Century for a fuller picture.

The germans would be worthy adversaries of the Klingons.

"There are certain sections of New York I'd advise you not to invade" (Rick Blaine 1942)

whats more amazing is the americans who defeated them and then REBUILT there country.

Originally posted by bushfriend
whats more amazing is the americans who defeated them and then REBUILT there country.

1. americans came just in the end of both wars when germany already had had high casulties

2. americans didnt rebuild germany:

UK: 3,6 billion Dollar

France: 3,1 billion Dollar

Italy: 1,6 billion Dollar

Western germany: 1,4 billion Dollar

Nederlands: 1,0 billion Dollar

Greece: 0,8 Mrd. Dollar

Austria: 0,7 Mrd. Dollar

Others: 2,4 Mrd. Dollar

So DONT claim your country to have rebuilt germany, when you see that UK and France got more than two times of the money ermany got by marshall plan, and this with at that time same population size like west germany

We did help though. The Berlin Airlift alone cost $200 million. No one's saying we did it alone, but there's no reason to just throw us out the window. Things such as the Lend Lease program were invaluable to the success of the Russians, and helped the British tremendously.

"americans came just in the end of both wars when germany already had had high casulties"

Tell that to Rommel and Tojo.

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The funny thing is it was the Germanic "barbarian" tribes that helped topple the Roman Empire. Germany still makes the best firearms, a great battletank, and great cars.

However, Germany was just a recent example. Virtually every country worldwide was very great and professional at one point. When the British were a world power, they had the best and most professional navy in the world at the time.

When the Chinese were a world power, they had the world's best navy and some very ingenious inventions. When Rome was an empire (i.e. Italians), they had some of the greatest engineering the world had ever seen, and military strategy.

The Japanese Empire had a very great navy and air force and army as well. Although they modeled their army off of Germany's and their navy off of Britain's, they designed and engineered their own naval ships and aircraft.

And these days, the United States of America designs some of the best naval ships in the world and the best aircraft.

One can argue all day though over who invented what. Someone mentioned that Heinreich Göbel invented the lightbulb before Thomas Edison, well it was an american who invented the rocket and the sub machine gun. The Germans took to those ideas how before the American government did and advanced them greatly, so that by the time NASA was started up, there were some German rocket scientists working at NASA in its early days and by the time WWII had come around, although the sub machine gun was an American invention, the best sub machine gun designs were German (and to this day still are).

Germany also invented the diesel engine I believe, but America invented the stealth aircraft and the best missile guidance systems. America also invented the microchip.

Every country has had their golden ages, the thing with Germany was Hitler tried to have Germany conquer the world (bad idea).

People seem to forget about the eliteness of the Prussian military in WWI. That single country, all by itself, was able to hold off a multitude of countries for awhile due to the professionalism of its military at the time.

Wodan I think Bushfriend meant to say that the USA "helped" rebuild Germany not just defeat them by themselves and rebuild them by themselves. But I have to say in both WW1 and WW2 The USA really was a Major Help for the Allies.

they did try to take over the world... they would ov taken most ov it if they wouldnt of messed with Russia.... so yea Germany does have an impressive power

Russia may could have won WW2 without the US but it would have been allot harder. The biggest allied weapon was hitler's stupidity though.

roflcheesecake =^.^= I agree with Tomcat. Besides they had the most advance weapons in WW2 (V2 Rockets, Messerchidmt, Panzers, etc.)

After WWII, the re-emergence of Germany, as with a number of European nations can thank the Marshall Plan and Communism.





seekerof

Originally posted by tomcat ha
Russia may could have won WW2 without the US but it would have been allot harder

nobody needed the U.S they only send weapons and food.... Russia didnt need that the were braking through cities...

Its a well known fact, that Germany is one of the stronger powers in europe, in fact, britain only lasted through the battle of britain as the natural defense, of been a island stopped them from just driving tanks on to our land, dont forget, the 120mm rheinmetal gun, used by the abrams, germany have always had fantastic technlogy, after all, in world war II they were ahead of all of us, incredible really