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think history will look back on this time period we are just leaving and call it the " Stupid Ages"
The cruical feature of quantam theory is that the observer is not only necessary to observe the properties of an atomic phenomenon , but is necessary to even bring about these properties.
Why do mainstream scientist's find themselves at home with , SETI , and find themselves at a loss with Ufology?
Originally posted by nightwing
Let's take a hint from Gazrok's post:
Science sees ET existence as a statistic probability.
That's the Drake equation. Lets do the math.
Originally posted by thepostman
Why one and not the other? Scientists rely on their repuatation, credability and grants. They cannot risk all of this this by being public about Flying Saucers. Flying Saucers=Nutjob. This is why science & scientists generally will not adopt ufology officially.
Dr. Robert Low to university officials on August 9, 1966
Our study would be conducted almost exclusively by nonbelievers who,
although they couldn't possibly prove a negative result could, and probably
would, add an impressive body of evidence that there is no reality to the
observations. The trick would be, I think, to describe the project so that,
to the public, it would appear a totally objective study but to the scientific
community would present the image of a group of nonbelievers trying their
best to be objective, but having almost zero expectation of finding a
saucer. One way to do this would be to stress investigation, not of physical
phenomena, but rather of the people who do the observing - the
psychology and sociology of persons and groups who report seeing UFOs.
If the emphasis were put here, rather than on examination of the old
question of the physical reality of the saucer, I think the scientific
community would quickly get the message... I'm inclined to feel at this
early stage that, if we set up the thing right and take pains to get proper
people involved and have success in presenting the image we want to
present to the scientific community, we could carry the job off to our
Lets not get to carried away with the zeros Gaz, the Milky Way only has a diameter of 100,000 light years.
With the UFOlogists, what are their assumptions which lead to a TESTABLE hypothesis?
SETI. Assumption: If there is even a reasonable probability that other life has independantly evolved, then it is also reasonable to assume that they too will at some point discover the principles of radio communication. Hence, even if unintentional, there may be stray radio signals drifting past Earth.
Originally posted by nightwing
And a fairly credible effort. But with any probability effort, you attempt a specific goal. Your goal was not the same as mine.
Neither of our answers are right or wrong, but they are for different starting conditions. The reason
I chose to use a Star formation rate, and changed fl to L, plus other considered alterations was to take into account the
need for overlap. Ergo, how many of the possible civilizations that may exist on 200 billion stars overlap the existance of the others.
BTW, volumes are cubic, not square light years, and there is a simpler way to ballpark the answer. Once you have the cubic
value, picture a cube of that volume containing a sphere whose diameter is equal to the side value for the cube. Take the
cube root of the volume and you have a slightly smaller approximation of the diameter.