Women turned tough & independant, Men, turned soft and silky smooth...

Looks like the new fad or in style is role reversal in the 21st century huh?!?! I guess now it's the Girls who are made of snakes, snails and puppy dog tails, and Boys are made of Sugar and Spice and Everything Nice....

www.startribune.com...

**Special note: This topic should really become fun once Freemason sees it!!!

"Freemason, I think your nightmares are coming true pal?!?!?"

Yep, it is happening. Trouble is, it doesn't stop there, it creates more sexists, feminists, and other bad people.

I think the Spice Girls ae to blame for it.........at least in the UK.......them, and Maggie Thatcher......

But what can you do about it? Nothing

there's actually a backlash against this trend, and i'm proud to say, as a man, i will always wear the pants.
if a woman cannot deal with me being the man, oh well, go be a dyke.

I'm not saying that i want her to fetch me a beer and a remote, but a woman should know her role and respect me as such, and she'll get the respect.

It doesn't effect me at all cause I could couldn't care less how people want to live their lives as long as they stay out of mine.

What's weird to see is the reversal. Starting with Men Ruling and Women slaves. Then the Womens movement. Now you have some manly women fighting for change and others that still want to at least remain womanly and sexy complaining cause there is no more opening doors, or paying, or even being nice anymore. Plus the Alpha Male guys trying to learn to be sensitive cause for so long now they've been harrassed for being to mean Stubbornly Guyish. People are all wacked out trying to figure out who they are supposed to be and why and trying to find someone else to hook up with who feels the same. I just laugh at the chaos they fumble around in...

As a man, if i get confused on what to do, i just remember the patron saint of manliness.




John wayne.

Fury, respect is earned, not given because of what organ dangles between your thighs.

So what, who cares what others are doing? If they want to let them. Gender roles are important, but not always the way they are. In the wild, some females are dominant, some are submissive, same with males. Nothing new there. Females hyenas are dominant over the males. Female dominance is nothing new, some societies had it.

Its the retard Christian ideal of the whole thing, thats all. Minus christianity, people actually live in societies that are a little saner. Sometimes the male should be dominant, sometimes the female, depends on time and circumstance. regardless, removing Christ Insanity from the equation gives a clearer view about what should be what.

This seems to be less about the difference between the genders, than the difference between those of us who subscribe to the media prescribed, commercially backed way of life. They've been targeting us ladies for decades to look (smell, talk etc) the 'right' way, and now it's you guy's turn.

I doubt it's because women are suddenly becoming defeminsed - last I noticed about 3 new beauty salons had opened up in my town, the makeup counters aren't shrinking and gym membership is still on the up. Nor is because men are getting more 'feminine'. I don't see why personal care, cleanliness and a modicum of pride in one's appearance should be something only women do.

There are however extremes....

Personally I don't wear make-up on a daily basis, at 30 I still haven't a clue how to blow-dry my hair, nor do I really give a toss about the label on my clothes so long as they fit me and help me feel good about myself. I'd be a little unnerved if the man in my life looked more groomed than me and starting critising my shoes for being last seasons. However it's unlikely than anyone like that would chose to be with a scarecrow like me!

I care how I look, I also prefer not to be a slave to the high street and the media

That's one of the stupidest things i've heard today skadi.

90% of women out there want one thing from a man. to feel secure.

Security comes from being the man. taking care of buisness.

ask any single mother out there if she feels secure? you'd be surprised at the results.
It's basic human nature weather you like to admit it or not, not some type of fundie christian living style.




[Edited on 9-8-2003 by Fury]

welcome to the other 10% Fury

I own my house, live alone, have a job, pay all my own bills, do all my household repairs (any I can't cause of lack of tools, regulations, or lack of experience - I call in my parents or a plumber/electrician). I remove my own spiders from the bath, mow my own lawn and deal with everything else myself.

And I feel very secure thankyou

I have a boyfriend - I wanted one for company, sex and general kicks and giggles

me thinks arc, that you also look to him for emotional security?



you gotta remember that in most situations a woman feels better with the man at the helm.

I'm not talking "hey biatch, go get me a beer!"
I'm saying that if a man loves his woman and takes responcibility for the major issues of the house, then she can relax. and this situation is 9 times out of ten the best possible way to live according to human nature.

Much love to arc, not cause she's a tough chick or cause she's a fragile woman. But because she's taken control of her own life and lives on her own terms!

Neither sex NEEDS the other because of their own failure to take care of themselves. They should WANT each other out for what they can share as individuals.

I look to myself for emotional security - as then it's true security, independant of anyone else's whims. I also make a better partner when I'm strong on my own.

Don't get me wrong - I like it when he does things for me, take's me out for dinner etc. But he also likes it when I do the same things for him too.

He doesn't live with me, but I have lived with partners before and it worked best when we both did what we were best at. In the last one's case tuning the video and in my case running the finances as that way they got paid. But you know I just do my own sweet thing when it comes to life, and if other people like to play the more traditional games, and make it work for them, so be it

[Edited on 9-8-2003 by arc]

Originally posted by Fury


ask any single mother out there if she feels secure? you'd be surprised at the results.

[Edited on 9-8-2003 by Fury]

Single mother here...
I feel more secure WITHOUT my cheating ex-husband. I am secure with myself and my abilities..I dont need a man for that.

well,
I at least got to post a pic of john wayne

Originally posted by sparky

Originally posted by Fury


ask any single mother out there if she feels secure? you'd be surprised at the results.

[Edited on 9-8-2003 by Fury]

Single mother here...
I feel more secure WITHOUT my cheating ex-husband. I am secure with myself and my abilities..I dont need a man for that.

anyone would feel more secure without a cheating spouse.
But suppose you had a real man?
then things would be alot nicer.

Ah, fury, you are quite typical of the little men out there. You think yourself too highly, that women need you for emotional security? Oh my. I have to stifle my laughter now. last time i checked, the desire for dominance and respect, something you tout as natural for males, stems from insecurity. If you are secure, you have no need to lord over others, or dominated and feel big, you can do that on your own.

90% of women hook up with guys for FINANCIAL security, because its the only thing men provide in abundance, since they tend to be the ones with the most money. Emotional security is a joke. Magazines and newspapers are flooded with articles from women reporting emotional neglect, abuse, and torment from thier male partners. Men basically tear up what little emotional security a woman has. Thus, they provide no real service.
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If a woman has her own money and life, then she doesnt need the male, except for sex or company. Males need females more, because men have the childish tendancy to demand attention and respect, and want to be needed, when women no longer need the men for thier money, thier security goes out the door. You can no longer be king or top dog. Chew on that.

I see no rpoblem with it whatsoever. I find my emotional security goes out the door when Im with men, and my life becomes stable and pleasant when I am single again, so i stay so. I hate living with men, they are obnoxious and demanding children. I do enjoy the freedom of supporting to myself and not having some overgrown infant around throwing his infantile fits because Im not fawning over him nonstop.

Thats called emotional security, fury. You should get some.

I think that PARTNERS do look to each other for emotional security, but not one sex more than the other. If 2 people love each other then they will both find emotional security in each other, not just the female. I certainly see no problem with women doing "men's" jobs, because my girlfriend is 10 times beter than me at electronic work, woodwork, anything that involves using the hands. The problem I have is when women start trying to act like men just for the sake of it. Women who cut their hair short and never wear skirts just because they want to seem feminist. Women who think women are superior. No sex is superior. Men are stronger, on average, therefore men, on average, do jobs like Building and other strenuous labour jos. When a woman complains that they shouldn't be viewed differently, especially in the working sector of life, it's absurd. We are different, yes, and we have to allow for these differences in life. There are differences between the sexes.

When women proclaim that they don't need men, that too is absurd. Life needs males and females, it's that simple. Yes, one can live a life without having a relationship with a man, but that doesn't mean that one day a man won't do something for you. It WILL happen. The same for men, we can't live without women, no matter how hard you try.

Am I rambling yet?

oh, i've got plenty of emotional security.
It doesn't stem by some weak willed inability. sorry.
it stems from my natural ability to be selfless, charming, loyal and proud.

so if you wanna call it being insecure, go ahead. but i on the other hand am willing to go the extra mile for any woman i'm with. can you say that about most men? nope. I am unique. and i also command respect because of who i am. not because i'm a man, but because of what lengths i go to to help my partner out.

you can call it what you will, and knock it all you like, i fail to see a bad side to my character traits.

thanks.

Originally posted by Fury

But suppose you had a real man?
then things would be alot nicer.

Is that a proposition?

Originally posted by sparky

Originally posted by Fury

But suppose you had a real man?
then things would be alot nicer.

Is that a proposition?

u2u2me.