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So the Franklin Coverup/Hunter S Thompson/Bush Sr/Grove thing

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posted on Jun, 4 2005 @ 09:53 PM
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This has to be one of the most bizarre, far reaching and disturbing tales Ive ever heard in conspiracy land. The one that centers around the early to late 80's involving a Lawrence King, boy prostitutes, missing boys, cults, Nebraska, the FBI/CIA, higher up Washington officials, Bohemian Grove, Hunter S Thompson and even Bush Sr. I saw the bootleg 'Conspiracy of Silence', done some research on Decamp's writings and that Gannon guy story...very very odd.
How much of it is true, who knows...but something unthinkable was going down.

Its funny, the Republicans made such a big stink over Clinton's BJ...imagine if this stuff was proved true, this would shake America to its foundation.




posted on Jun, 4 2005 @ 10:43 PM
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Yep this is being talked about more here of late due to the (paper boy)Johnny Gosch who was believed to be kidnapped by the same group possibly being one in the the same Jeff Gannon the guy with no journalist credentials being allowed in the white house. Of course there is no proof of this so far that I know of just a lot of speculation. Here is a website with an interview with Noreen Gosch. The interview was done after the video you mention was made. How does one get a copy of the video, can you order it?
www.whale.to...

August 19, 2003

On Sept. 5, 1982, a 12-year-old West Des Moines, Iowa, paperboy named Johnny Gosch disappeared. Although his case made national headlines what his mother learned about Johnny's kidnapping has been kept under wraps by the mainstream media in America. His mother, Noreen Gosch, discovered not only that Johnny was still alive-long after his disappearance-but that he was in the hands of a Nebraska-based nationwide pedophile and child prostitution ring that has been collaborating with high-level "mind control" operations of the CIA.

Mrs. Gosch (NG) was the guest on the Aug. 19 broadcast of Radio Free America, a weekly call-in talk forum sponsored by American Free Press (AFP).


Also here is details of the trial Noreen Gosch speaks about it is older than the above interview since this one mentions the young lady name alicia as still being in prison, while the interview with Noreen Gosch mentions that she is out now. This one also mentions a democrat who apparently took part in these crimes.

www.the7thfire.com...



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posted on Jun, 4 2005 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by 8bitagent
Its funny, the Republicans made such a big stink over Clinton's BJ...imagine if this stuff was proved true, this would shake America to its foundation.


I seriously doubt anyone would give a carp. There are blessed few who still think there is any integrity left in the system. It's all just a power grab.



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by spamandham

Originally posted by 8bitagent
Its funny, the Republicans made such a big stink over Clinton's BJ...imagine if this stuff was proved true, this would shake America to its foundation.


I seriously doubt anyone would give a carp. There are blessed few who still think there is any integrity left in the system. It's all just a power grab.


Well it's too fanciful and shocking for people to even take notice. I wish that documentary had been allowed to air and the media wasnt at the total bend of Washington.

Also, some believe that Hunter S Thompson killed himself over guilt over what supposedly happened at Bohemian Grove. There's news about a photographer who supposedly took pictures at these sex parties that coincides with the Thompson suicide.
tomflocco.com...

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[edit on 5-6-2005 by 8bitagent]



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by 8bitagent

Well it's too fanciful and shocking for people to even take notice. I wish that documentary had been allowed to air and the media wasnt at the total bend of Washington.


If you look at the post I made in this thread on this you will see that the second link is about the civil case won by one of the boys and he won in civil court so though this sounds outlandish and just bizarre one of the accusers have already won a large sum of money based on the fact that this is real and did happen, he proved it did in a court of law.



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 08:06 PM
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This is actually the first time I have ever heard of this case, I am surprised I haven't come across it any sooner. Really what gets me is that these horrifying experiments are being carried out by one of our own agencies in our own government. Isn't that America's supposed mission? To end dictatorship and the oppression of all people?



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by Majestic12
This is actually the first time I have ever heard of this case, I am surprised I haven't come across it any sooner. Really what gets me is that these horrifying experiments are being carried out by one of our own agencies in our own government. Isn't that America's supposed mission? To end dictatorship and the oppression of all people?


Here ya go Maj12, just for you, my brother... Conspiracy Of Silence

[edit on 5-6-2005 by All Seeing Eye]



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 08:27 PM
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Thanks ASE.

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posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by 8bitagentAlso, some believe that Hunter S Thompson killed himself over guilt over what supposedly happened at Bohemian Grove.


I just have to say, I find this stunningly amazing.

After HST killed himself, a friend of his published an article/commentary/eulogy whathaveyou, in which he talked about HST being 'suicided' by 'them'.

Thing is, he explicitly said that that was not the case. The idea that HST was suicied first popped up with this guy, in that story, and ended with that guy, in that story, he wasn't proposing it as a serious possibility, he was just adding to the zaniness of HST's like, perhaps setting it up as 'that would've made more sense than a suicide'.

HST was not 'suicided'. I recall reading that article and thinking, now people are going to say he was, because the rumours going to get out know, and peopel are going to forget or even not know about the source. What started as absolutely nothing, has become an actual conspiracy theory. Intruiging to have watched it develop, you aren't the first to put forward this idea after that article came out. I think at this point its gotten into the 'you can't prove it did happen, but can't prove it didn't happen either' phase of a conspiracy theory, that is, the final and complete stage.

I can't help but wonder just how many other rather popular conspiracies start similarly 'tongue-in-cheek' or unitentionally.



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 10:34 PM
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there is also talk that Hunter Thompson was suicided because he was going to write a book about this and name all the guilty parties. there are also lots of websites with speculation he was writing about the 911 and that explosives brought down the WTCs.

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posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by goose
there is also talk that Hunter Thompson was suicided because he was going to write a book about this

No, he wasn't. That was also part of that original article. The author then said that he was actually working on a book about 911, not this ludicrous 'white house gay sex ring' scandal.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by goose
there is also talk that Hunter Thompson was suicided because he was going to write a book about this

No, he wasn't. That was also part of that original article. The author then said that he was actually working on a book about 911, not this ludicrous 'white house gay sex ring' scandal.


Yes I read it and here it is a website that says a friend said he was writing a book about it. As I stated there were reports he was writing a book about 911 as well. Why do you say this is ridiulous about this child sex ring, though it may seem bizarre read this from the same link listed below

Lawrence E. King, Jr., the Republican activist who rose to notoriety and riches from associations with power figures from Nebraska politics and business to Washington D.C. The story broke in June 1989 on the front page of the Washington Times, headlines blaring: "Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush" and "Call boys took midnight tours of the White House." Bonacci stated he was one of those boys.


www.onlinejournal.com...
The implication is that maybe Thompson killed himself because of his involvement in this horror show, though his name was dropped in 1992, in the original Franklin Cover-Up. Why would he kill himself over old news? Seems more likely that he'd be killed for what he was about to reveal.

A personal friend of Thompson, author Paul William Roberts, in his article "Alexander Pope in a prose convertible" The Globe and Mail, reported that Thompson was writing about the pedophilia ring.



posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 02:48 PM
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the article
Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ."

That's how I imagine a tribute to Hunter S. Thompson should begin. He was indeed working on such a story, but it wasn't what killed him. He exercised his own option to do that. As he said to more than one person, "I would feel real trapped in this life if I didn't know I could commit suicide at any time."

It is an ironic end for one who deplored above all things the media trend toward self-censorship, often citing Orwell on the subject. Now, he exists only in a dozen books and countless magazine and newspaper articles. Did the good doctor write himself into literary immortality? This is all that matters now.


Thompson was not 'suicided', and, in all honesty, he had long since gone past his days of being a problem for the establishment. If he had actually written a book about 'bombs in the building', then that'd just demonstrate it. I have no doubt that he was looking into some of the aspects of the conspiracy theory tho, but thats a long step from him attracting attention and being killed for it inside of Owl Farm.



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 01:14 AM
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Actually I am not trying to debate whether he killed himself or not just pointed out that there was evidence he was working on a book about this childnapping ring and quoted a source and provided a link for you. I doubt anyone will find any proof that he was suicided even if he was, so the debate will forever go on.



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 11:45 AM
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One article by Tim Schmitt, "Death of a Conspiracy—Johnny Gosch, Jeff Gannon, Hunter Thompson and the unraveling of a troubling tale," is truly troubling. It comes from an alternative paper called Pointblank, no less, in Des Moines, Iowa, whose doors were shut and Schmitt fired the day after publication.

What's more, if I found Thompson's suicide hard to believe originally, this article was ringing bells, reporting that Hunter Thompson directed a snuff film involving Satanic, homosexual adults and children

I find that claim, on its face, to be nearly immpossible to beleive.

Here is the Tim Schmitt article.

Recent events began with Jeff Gannon, the right-wing journalist who was found to have gained access to the White House press pool with few credentials and a fake name. The death of Hunter S. Thompson followed shortly after. The arrest of two men, seemingly unrelated, in Nebraska and Virginia within days of the Gannon story and Thompson's death also play a role in the story.

So this is already something that is published after HST's death, and appears, right off the bat, to be 'coincidence specultation' about a famous figure.

Shortly after the theory [that gannon was providing 'secret' clues to his identity]was presented, Gannon posted an article titled "Hiding in Plain Sight," and has posted a column entitled "Fear and Loathing in the Press Room," which some suggest is a reference to the recently deceased Hunter S. Thompson
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Weak and silly.

Thats it. Thats the entire connection. The Globe and Mail article notes that HST might've been reseaching 911, not "Gannongate". Thompson was dead the very day that the Gannon-Gosch accustion of identity was made, he couldn't've been researching it.

The kidnapping pedophilia snuff film accusation

[former Neb. State Sen. John ]DeCamp relates[in 'The Frankling Coverup from 1994] many interviews and discussions with Paul Bonacci, the young man who claims to have been involved with the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch. Bonacci told horrific tales of being forced into sex with adults and other children. In one case he recalls being flown into Nevada with another young boy whom he did not know. They took on another passenger there and headed to a secluded location where Bonacci says he was forced to have sex with the younger boy. The young boy, Bonacci claims in this book, was also forced to have sex with adult males, who then killed the boy with a gunshot to the head. Bonacci says he was then forced to have sex with the corpse.
The passenger they took on in Nevada filmed the entire thing, and Bonacci recalled that his name was Hunter Thompson
[italics my addition -nygdan]

And the suicided conspiracy

"Several kids told us that he directed snuff films. I think it's a strong possibility that he was murdered and I strongly suspect that it's all connected."

That doesn't amount to a heck of a lot of anything. And, now its 'several' kids making this accusation?


The snuff film that Thompson allegedly made with Paul Bonacci is believed, based on Bonacci's description of the surroundings, to have been filmed at Bohemian Grove

And thus it becomes almost entirely unbeivable.

Also, doesn't anyone find it 'funny' that a republican senator should push an unconfirmed story that states that HST, the bane of the party, was a camera man in chid porn snuff films? I mean, him commiting suicide around the time of gannongate is 'too much of a coincidence', but thats not?

Also, this interview with deCamp notes that one of the sources in the story, a woman named Alicia Owen, was convicted of perjury , and has even been sent to prison for it. That page also claims that the people invovled were murdered and killed all over the place, but bonacci and deCamp, who presents the big book on it, were untouched?
Decamp also notes in that interview that

Paul's [bonacci]mind was really screwed up by everything he went through and he has multiple personalities.
[italics my addition -nygdan]
So one 'witness' is a person convicted of perjury wrt to the case, and the other is a person with multiple personality disorder who's had to be put into psychiatric wards. There's no evidence to support any of the accusations, only suposition and specualtion based on 'coincidences that can't be coincedences'.

The central part of the entire thing (as opposed to whether or not HST was investigating it and suicided because of it) is that Jeff Gannon, the internet reporter for Talon News, is in fact Johhnny Gosch, a boy who dissapeared years ago. This is a relatively simple thing to resolve, since Mother Gosch is still alive.

I will say one thing, Gannon's 'blog' has eliminated the ability to post comments to his stories, which is prettymuch 'piss poor'.



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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As a long time fan of HST's work I was really hoping he had not committed suicide - something I consider "weak" or "admiting defeat"

However the fact that Ralph Steadman (the artist) was not at all surprised by Hunter's action really says it all.

Its too bad really - sullies my memory of his incredibly satrical books and articles a little.

Plus, are they gonna suicide him with a house full of people when he's often by himself, alone shooting guns?

Surely better opportunities would have been plentiful.



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 02:55 PM
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Why haven't we heard more about this. You are right about Clinton's problems are enough to call a special session of congress to investigate but this....holy hell...



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 03:02 PM
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this thread really bothers me, makes me sick to my stomach, because I think there really is something to it.
I've often wondered about the NWO, etc etc, how do they keep quiet ? wouldn't there be even just 1 whistle blower ? now it makes gut wrenching sense. They compromise these individuals with pics of them with kids.



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by 8bitagent
Also, some believe that Hunter S Thompson killed himself over guilt over what supposedly happened at Bohemian Grove.


I don't buy that for a minute. (Supposedly he filmed a lot of kinky stuff.)What I do buy is that Thompson was working on a story related to 9-11. Might have gotten a bit too hot.

I find it hard to believe, though, that he might have been killed with his family in the house.

[edit on 6/10/05 by EastCoastKid]



posted on Jul, 5 2006 @ 03:22 PM
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Well,as a fan of HST I have to say I have read all this before.I seriously doubt HST had anything to do with child pornography/snuff or whatever other atrocities people want to accuse him of.Someone mentioned it earlier that Ralph Steadman said he wasn't surprised by the suicide.I also recall reading somewhere that Hunter had told Steadman and many others as he aged that if he was stricken with a terminal disease,or his body just wasn't functioning well anymore,that he would just shoot himself.He told them he'd rather die by his own hand,on his own terms.I think it's pretty clear the rest is just an attempt to discredit Hunter after his death.




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