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posted on May, 24 2005 @ 11:53 PM
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Raytheon involved in 9/11 ???



There is an outrageous amounts of questions that are still to this day being asked by many Americans. But one of them strikes me as an enormeous coincidence beyond any imaginable proportions: the Raytheon coincidences.

Who is Raytheon you ask? Raytheon is a very important player of our 400 billion per year corporate military complex. According to the table in this link, Raytheon was the 5th biggest government contractor in 2003 and 2004. (of interest are the other companies listed as well).

As one the the biggest militaty contractor both in America and in the world, Raytheon develloped and introduced the very first remotely controlled and pilot-less Airliner just a couple of months before 9-11according to an August 2001 article in the www.usatoday.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">USA Today (by the way, the said article may have been removed from the USA Today archives as of one month ago, for a free copy contact pepelapiu@msn.com )
Interestingly enough, on 9-11 Raytheon lost five of their high ranking employees. As details of the passengers on the four hijacked flights emerge, some are shown to have curious connections to the defense company Raytheon, and possibly its Global Hawk pilotless aircraft program (see 1998 (D) and August 2001).

1) Stanley Hall (Flight 77) was director of program management for Raytheon Electronics Warfare. One Raytheon colleague calls him "our dean of electronic warfare." [AP, 9/25/01]

2) Peter Gay (Flight 11) was Raytheon's Vice President of Operations for Electronic Systems and had been on special assignment to a company office in El Segundo, Calif. [AP, 9/25/01] Raytheon's El Segundo's Electronic Systems division is one of two divisions making the remote controlled Global Hawk. [ISR Journal, 3/02]

3) Kenneth Waldie (Flight 11) was a senior quality control engineer for Raytheon's electronic systems.

4) David Kovalcin (Flight 11) was a senior mechanical engineer for Raytheon's electronic systems. [CNN, 9/01]

5) Herbert Homer (Flight 175) was a corporate executive working with the Department of Defense. [CNN, 9/01, Northeastern University Voice, 12/11/01]

Raytheon employees with possible links to Global Hawk can be connected to three of the four flights. There may be more, since many of the passengers' jobs and personal information have remained anonymous.
A surprising number of passengers, especially on Flight 77, have military connections. For instance, William E. Caswell was a Navy scientist whose work was so classified that his family knew very little about what he did each day. Says his mother, "You just learn not to ask questions." [Chicago Tribune, 9/16/01]

So, now we have a major player in the military which stands to make millions, if not billions with the wars resulting from 9-11, we also know Raytheon to be responsible for the devellopement of Global Hawk and remotely piloted airliners. But so it happens, five of their employees were allegedly all on board the four airplanes. But it gets better, much better. You remember those Saudi royalties and Bin Laden relatives flown out of the country just a couple of days following 9-11 when no one else was allowed to fly? They were flown out of the country directly from a Raytheon owned airfield according to The St-Petersburg Times. Just as coincidence would have it, 15 of the 19 alleged terrorists were Saudi nationals according to The Washington Times . That's right my friends, none from Iraq or Afghanistan but mostly from Saudi Arabia.

Did Raytheon have any involment with the 9-11 events?
It should be added that Raytheon has gained over $8.5 billions in government military contracts in 2004, nearly double that of pre 9/11 years!
What a tangled web we weave indeed!

Cheers,
PepeLapiu
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posted on Oct, 6 2005 @ 10:59 AM
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posted on Oct, 6 2005 @ 02:40 PM
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That's a really excellent and though-provoking post, Pepe, thanks for putting it up here, I think you raise a lot of good questions and make a lot of excellent points. In answer to the your question, "was raytheon involved in 9/11/?", I think your post does and excellent job of answering a loud and might "yes" indeed!
---Ryan



posted on Oct, 8 2005 @ 06:14 AM
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Yeh this is an awesome post. I have been waiting for a new thread in 9/11 Conspiracys for a while. I think you are really onto something here.

I'm giong to read those links though before i comment too much more.



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 06:28 PM
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Bump

I think everyone should read this post.
With all the craziness around the ridiculous idea that there was no Boeing in the Pentagon, I think this post revives reality a little bit.

Get a clue people, IT REALLY WAS A BOEING in the Pentagon, only there were no terrorists on board, just a remote controlled airplane with lots of remote control technology experts that needed to be silenced.



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 06:47 PM
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And you would not happen to be the same guy who originally posted the thread, and a banned member for what ever reason?



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 06:47 PM
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looks like i have a new angle to research for school...lol
awesome job, good research, good sources. You have my Way Above Top Secret Vote.

i'll see if i can find anything useful to add.



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 07:00 PM
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Good points, I never saw this thread before so thanks for bringing it forward again. All the same this doesn't mean that there was not a hologram technology used in these stunts for the purpose of confusion for observers.



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 07:14 PM
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Holograms?
Let me guess, a Web Fairy fan, right?



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by PepeLapiu1

Interestingly enough, on 9-11 Raytheon lost five of their high ranking employees.



Nuff Said.

Look, people profited out of 9/11. We get it. Funeral directors make a profit when someone dies, that doesn't mean they killed them.



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by doctorfungi
Nuff Said.

Look, people profited out of 9/11. We get it. Funeral directors make a profit when someone dies, that doesn't mean they killed them.

Interesting!
So you are basically saying "Don't follow the money"
That they stood to make a lot of money is just one 'coincidence' but that they also had a rather large amount of high ranking conspicuois employees die is also rather strange. That they flew an airliner without any pilots on board just months before 9/11 is also rather strange, don't you think?
And that they facilitated the sudden departure of those infamous Royal Saudies and Bin Ladden family members is also rather strange, no?
Do your funeral directors have that many ties into the death of their customers?

But you think it's all a big "coincidence' theory?



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by billybob
in answer to the title, a resounding, 'YES'!

no arabs on board, but LOTS of high tech top secret military remote control missile/plane experts and facilitators

Very good article, read it and then come back and tell me it's all just one of those funny coincidences.



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by doctorfungi
Nuff Said.

Look, people profited out of 9/11. We get it. Funeral directors make a profit when someone dies, that doesn't mean they killed them.

How about you read the following and tell me if it's all a coincidence akin to a funeral director?

CIA Sponsored Exercise on the Morning of 9/11

On the morning of September 11 2001, within minutes of the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the CIA had been running "a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building". The simulation was held at the CIA Chantilly Virginia Reconnaissance Office.

The Bush administration described the event as "a bizarre coincidence". The matter was not mentioned by the media.(AP, 22 August 2002)

The CIA sponsored simulation consisted in a "scheduled exercise" held on the morning of September 11, 2001, where "a small corporate jet crashed into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure. (Quoted in Associated Press, 22 August 2002.)

The news concerning the 9/11 Chantilly aircraft crashing simulation was hushed up. It was not made public at the time. It was revealed almost a year later, in the form of an innocuous announcement of a Homeland Security Conference. The latter entitled "Homeland Security: America's Leadership Challenge" was held in Chicago on September 6, 2002, barely a few days before the commemoration of the tragic events of 9/11.

The promotional literature for the conference under the auspices of the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute (NLESI) stated what nobody in America knew about. On the morning of 9/11, the CIA was conducting a pre-planned simulation of a plane striking a building. One of the key speakers at the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute conference was CIA's John Fulton, Chief of the Strategic War Gaming Division of the National Reconnaissance Office a specialist in risk and threat response analysis, scenario gaming, and strategic planning.

(See . The National Law Enforcement and Security Institute website is: www.nlsi.net... See also The Memory Hole at www.thememoryhole.org...):

On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day. Information is the most powerful tool available in the homeland security effort. At the core of every initiative currently underway to protect our country and its citizens is the challenge of getting the right information to the right people at the right time. How can so much information from around the world be captured and processed in meaningful and timely ways? Mr. Fulton shares his insights into the intelligence community, and shares a vision of how today's information systems will be developed into even better counter-terrorism tools of tomorrow. (Ibid)



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 12:58 AM
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Fagetabawdit Pepe. People have always been making billions off war. According to Fungi who are we to care?



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 02:08 AM
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Ya you get a lot of that stupid crap from him.. he states things and never back anything up... He will tell you go to my site and bla bla de da..

Anyway don't worry about him, he isn't anything big and important in life, especially the life of getting down to what happened on 9/11 before and after.

As long as we keep gritting at the unbreakable stone.. Sooner or later it will crack, just don't give up that it will not any time soon.. And if it don't in our lifetime, lets hope it will in our kids lifetime, because it is us who stands between our kids future and now..

I am glad we do what we do for that 1 reason alone.

And to PepeLapiu1,

Damn good job man.



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 05:15 PM
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War profits

...... These setbacks for the company have been more than compensated for by the overall rise in Raytheon’s business since September 11th, including a 26% rise in stock prices. In early 2002, the firm also received a $1.2 billion multi-year contract to provide over 200 T-6A "Texan" training aircraft to the Air Force and Navy. This was despite criticisms just six weeks earlier by the Pentagon’s Office of Independent Testing and Evaluation that there were serious performance problems in the T-6A program.[15]

[15] 'Raytheon Profile', Reviewing Nuclear Proliferation, Reaching Critical Will web-site: www.reachingcriticalwill.org/dd/ray.html accessed 17 April 2002



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Pepe Lapiu
Holograms?
Let me guess, a Web Fairy fan, right?


Let me know when you learn something about holograms then we can discuss in the open whether it is a legitimate idea or not. You seem to lack knowledge of them thus you dismiss it lightly for you own personal amusement.



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 05:51 PM
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What a BIG coincidence. All planes had Raytheon employees on board. AND many other experts from Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, BAE, US Airforce. Flight 93 that crashed on a field in Shanksville had not a single person with a military / defense background.

Only exception on Flight 93: Donald Greene
Vice President of Safe Flight Instrument Corp.



Safe Flight counts among its customers the majority of the world's aircraft manufacturers, more than 50 airlines, hundreds of corporate jet operators and all of the U.S. armed services.

Angle-of-Attack and Stall Warning devices installed on Boeing, British Aerospace, Lockheed, Raytheon, Cessna, Learjet and the majority of other aircraft in operation throughout the world.
SCAT (Speed Command of Attitude and Thrust) and AutoPower Systems flying on commercial and military aircraft manufactured by Boeing, Fokker and Lockheed.
Various configurations of Wind Shear Warning Systems certified on numerous aircraft manufactured by Raytheon.
Automatic Throttle System and Reverse Locking Clutch installed on aircraft manufactured by Boeing, Lockheed, Bombardier, Cessna, Gulfstream, Westwind, RAYTHEON (my emphasis!) and Boeing.




As the passengers on the four hijacked flights emerge, some are shown to have curious connections to the defense company Raytheon, and possibly its Global Hawk pilotless aircraft program (see 1998 (D) and August 2001).

*Stanley Hall (Flight 77) was director of program management for Raytheon Electronics Warfare. One Raytheon colleague calls him "our dean of electronic warfare." [AP, 9/25/01]

*Peter Gay (Flight 11) was Raytheon's Vice President of Operations for Electronic Systems and had been on special assignment to a company office in El Segundo, Calif. [AP, 9/25/01] Raytheon's El Segundo's Electronic Systems division is one of two divisions making the Global Hawk. [ISR Journal, 3/02]

*Kenneth Waldie (Flight 11) was a senior quality control engineer for Raytheon's electronic systems.

*David Kovalcin (Flight 11) was a senior mechanical engineer for Raytheon's electronic systems. [CNN, 9/01]

*Herbert Homer (Flight 175) was a corporate executive working with the Department of Defense. [CNN, 9/01, Northeastern University Voice, 12/11/01]

Raytheon employees with possible links to Global Hawk can be connected to three of the four flights. There may be more, since many of the passengers' jobs and personal information have remained anonymous.
A surprising number of passengers, especially on Flight 77, have military connections. For instance, William E. Caswell was a Navy scientist whose work was so classified that his family knew very little about what he did each day. Says his mother, "You just learn not to ask questions." [Chicago Tribune, 9/16/01]

Could these Raytheon employees have been on board to activate Global Hawk technology, or make sure it worked?


[edit on 5-11-2006 by ephrin]



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 06:00 PM
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For nine months (!!!), Peter Gay spent four days of the week working in California, and three days with his family in Tewksbury, Mass.

He hated it. Hated grabbing American Airlines Flight 11 every Tuesday morning, from Boston to Los Angeles; hated being away from his wife of nine years and his 8-year-old daughter, Larissa, whom he called "Missy" or "Sweet Patootie."

Gay, 54, was one of four employees of defense contractor Raytheon Co. killed Tuesday morning when Flight 11 hit the World Trade Center.

Kenneth Waldie, 46, whose oldest son is getting married in three weeks, wasn't even supposed to be on the flight, but his itinerary was changed (!!!). They were traveling with co-worker David Kovalcin.

cf.newsday.com...



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 07:49 PM
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The wife of Peter Gay writes:

My husband was a compassionate hard working family man. He always gave 110% to everything he did whether it be playing with Larissa, working in the yard or negotiating Government Contracts with the Army, Navy, and Airforce at Raytheon Company. He was a very well respected Executive at Raytheon he could communicate with anyone on any level, whether it be a janitor, CEO, President of the United States or (!!!!) the Prince of Saudi Arabia (!!!!!!!!) . He made people feel comfortable and special and never talked down to anyone. He always could relate to that person's particular situation

www.091101memorial.org...





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