common sense: there will NEVER be world peace...

i hope you realize that:

there will NEVER be world peace UNLESS it is FORCED...

there will NEVER be world peace because of:

- different religions

- different skin colors

- different cultures

- different contries

- different laws

- different personal beliefs

- different status' in life

- past actions

- and what else???

now...

there are conspiracy theories that say "the government" will put computer chips in people and this will control them...

thus, a form of world peace...

another "theory" states that the HAARP thing can control people...

so, just to let you all know:

there will NEVER be world peace UNLESS it is FORCED...

HOW can there be world peace without it being forced???

that reminds me “In our world Good doesn’t triumph over evil, evil is simply destroyed by a more organised form of evil.”

There will never be world peace as long as humans are in charge simply because humans are humans.

You're just focusing on the differences.

The trick is to focus on the similarities, for example:

Almost all of us want to survive.

Almost all of us want to breed and raise children.

Almost all of us want to eat.

Almost all of us want to live under some form of shelter.

Focus on the commonalities, provide everything people need and want, and watch the peace evolve. It will never be absolute, but it can be nearly perfect. Your negative attitude is a self fulfilling prophecy, you make it so by stating it as fact. Know what I mean?

Nothing against you personally TSA, it's a very common viewpoint. I prefer to act in a practical fashion and keep hope alive at the same time. There's no harm in thinking positively.

By saying world peace, do you men like between nations as mpst people think of it or do you mena that including national crime like rapes, robbery and other stuff like that?

Yeah I see your point.....We will never have a so called "Heaven on earth"
type of peace...and it still cannot be forced because the resistance will still be there in the minds of the people.

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
You're just focusing on the differences.

The trick is to focus on the similarities, for example:

Almost all of us want to survive.

Almost all of us want to breed and raise children.

Almost all of us want to eat.

Almost all of us want to live under some form of shelter.

Focus on the commonalities, provide everything people need and want, and watch the peace evolve. It will never be absolute, but it can be nearly perfect. Your negative attitude is a self fulfilling prophecy, you make it so by stating it as fact. Know what I mean?

Nothing against you personally TSA, it's a very common viewpoint. I prefer to act in a practical fashion and keep hope alive at the same time. There's no harm in thinking positively.

we all want this...

or different forms of this...

BUT...

the differences of humans OVERWHELM the similarities...

for example...

some people still dont "trust", or like, the japanese because of pearl harbor...

do you think americans will ever "forgive", or have a positive view, of middle easterners???

the propaganda of war lasts forever...

people still think all germans are nazis...

Well, I see what you mean certainly, but consider this:

We don't have to live together. We've got all this land, there's plenty of room for all humans and then some. If the illusion of instituted world peace was discarded, and we focused on regional peace, we could essentially achieve world peace by proxy. Follow me?

For example, the Japanese and Chinese don't always get along, but there's a straight in between them, so if they don't want to, they don't ever have to see each other. Traders and what not have always been open minded, they would continue to travel and be respectful of the people and places they visit.

I think the main problem has always been over-arcing moral authorities, who wish to direct the existence of all the humans on the planet using their own ethics and customs. This leads to conflict.

Also, people fight over resources, which would be eliminated if all us plebes had enough to go around, in a self perpetuating system of food, shelter, energy, and clean water..

maybe WyrdeOne...

just maybe...

but i still think PERFECT, 100 %, "heaven-on-earth" world peace will NEVER exist...

we are social animals...

when humans interact, they fight...

its natural...

there has NEVER been world peace...

and there NEVER will be...

I agree that perfection is not attainable..the journey is motivated solely by a perpetually distant objective, it was designed that way...

And you're right, humans compete, it's our nature. I think the important thing is to change the field of competition. Reduce instances of physical conflict by making it detrimental to health and wealth. Encourage scholastic and intelectual competition, by instituting a meritocracy in place of a democracy. Basically, reward people for actions that are erudite, compassionate, and non-injurious.

For example, in a good meritocracy, all necessities are taken care of, and people compete for comfort, not survival. That alone takes the edge off the need to murder, steal, etc.

A strong military is necessary to prevent attacks and police citizens, but no more. There would be no need for international agression, and so those defending against it would be fully justified in crushing the attackers without mercy.

I think the key to world peace is separation, because you're right, we're very different in a lot of ways, and we have millenia worth of baggage that we're carrying, religious, ethnic, and what not. We have all these continents, and all this ocean, let's use it!

wow those are amazing and intelligent points, really opened up my mind.

One could say that conflicts start because people give themselves an identity, or are given one. All wars have been started by individuals/leaders, if you go by the intentionalist view of history, who gave the people their sense of identity, making them feel superior to others. It seems as though there has always been an unnatural or external force which drove wars. I think it may be human nature to respect your fellow human beings, but i'm sure there are many instances that go against that idea. In Jerusalem, the Jews and Muslims (not Zionists/Israelis/ terrorists/fanatics) apparently get on with each other, why? Perhaps because they just see themselves as human beings, like every one else, being that their belief in an all loving God is central to their lives.

Originally posted by sal88
wow those are amazing and intelligent points, really opened up my mind.

thanks...

this is why i am here

glad to see i helped you...

they see ALL

I'm not sure what your intent was in saying that there will never be 100% world peace, that's obvious. With approx 6-7 billion people on this earth, for all to be living together in harmony would be quite a miracle and highly unlikely.

That said...are you saying that we shouldn't even bother? Should we point out all of our differences and continuously butt heads with one other? Think what that would be like if no one even bothered, is the only way to peace through force? Sure sometimes but how long can you force something to be peaceful? Honestly we can't control everyone else's actions all of the time with force. Yes sometimes war is very necessary, but it shouldn't be abused and should only be used for defense. Don't we hold those same standards for all other countries? The US should at least lead by example, as the most powerful country in the world we do have responsibilities. It really bothers me that some people take war so lightly...go read some ATS war threads, people are getting all excited switching statistics, talking smack about the enemy it's like a grown up version of GI Joe.

Sure "100% world peace" will probably never ever happen, but we could at least try to strive for the ideal. As Wyrde pointed out earlier in the thread we all share many similarities, if you just focus on race, culture, religion, sexuality, etc...it's as if you are trying to find ways to divide us even more.

Call me naive or whatever but if everyone just put their ego's aside and tried to understand where the other person is coming from we'd all start to make some progress. Sure it's easier said than done, but it's still possible...at least on a smaller scale.

Take ATS for example...could there be 100% peace on the boards? lol ...maybe? Not saying we won't disagree with each other, it's inevitible, but we could do w/o the sexism, racism, religion bashing, atheist bashing, gay bashing...etc. It's really pointless and adds NOTHING to the discussion except putting each party on the defensive.



[edit on 5/7/2005 by Lecky]

There will be world peace. As economies improve and new ways are found to meet the basic needs of life, the differences will not matter anymore. In many countries that are peaceful today, there were revolutions in the past caused by political-minded people who thought they could solve social problems by speaking inspiring words and pushing people around. Today the issues they fought for are obsolete. The "class struggle" wasn't really solved by the socialists, just as the problems between Israelis and Palestinians won't be solved with speeches.

When the world reaches this state, it will be like a country where no violence is tolerated. If 90% of the world is peaceful and 10% are at war, the warmongers won't be tolerated for long.

What about religion?
There is always a chance that someone, somewhere hears a message from god. But if ever they want to start a war, they will find it impossible because no one will pay attention to them. If a new Muhammad was born today, he wouldn't he be as successful as he was. Probably he would be interned in a mental institution.

Originally posted by they see ALL
i hope you realize that:
there will NEVER be world peace UNLESS it is FORCED...
there will NEVER be world peace because of:
- different religions
- different skin colors
- different cultures
- different contries
- different laws
- different personal beliefs
- different status' in life
- past actions
- and what else???

now...
there are conspiracy theories that say "the government" will put computer chips in people and this will control them...
thus, a form of world peace...
another "theory" states that the HAARP thing can control people...
so, just to let you all know:
there will NEVER be world peace UNLESS it is FORCED...
HOW can there be world peace without it being forced???

Not going to happen.
Peace that comes from Force is not Peace, but Prison.

You seem to be pointing out that "Differences" are the trouble but can you really imagine that it would be better in reverse??? 1 TV channel, 1 Flavor of Ice Cream, or maybe just one Taste Period like just Salty. Just one type of Flower or a Single Style of Art maybe. All books and stories with just 1 single Forced Plot line and ending sure would be nice too, wouldn't it??? Or how about the difference between the Sexes, that's a big one that is obviously just a big fat mistake by old Mother Nature. That being so and since us human beings are so obviously more prepared to set the parameters for all the workings of the cosmos than whatever has been running things billions of eons before us, I guess it's our duty now to Force Life to conform to what we say, is that right???

Hell, some of those differences aren't even real to begin with, they're just a bunch of crap we invented to be pissed off about and use to justify War with each other. For example Different Countries/States/etc. There's no dotted line separating earth into neat little Legal Sections, we made up that crap. So if you're gonna blame the Different Countries then blame the idiots, People, who created the damn concept. Same with Laws, Religions, Styles, or whatever. We made all that sh*t up ourselves anyway, so if that's a problem keeping us from getting along, then we should clean up our f*cking mess that we created instead of killing each other over it. What a bunch of retards!!! We're kicking our own asses up and down time and space bitching about it and acting as if it's so difficult to figure out why it's happening or how to stop it. How f*cking embarassing it is to witness such a thing. Ego driven to the point where there is total loss of any control, an insignificant cosmic lifeform playing God when even the status of man is achieved by 1 in a million at best.

There is no "End" or "Goal" that exists that you can Win Victoriously by Forcing your narrow individual world view upon everything. You've confused some fictional "Ends" in place of the infinite "Means" by which to get there. There's no sumit of this mountain, no pot of gold, or childish Flag to capture making a clear distinction between the Winners and the Losers. There is just more mountain to climb, more rainbow to chase and an endless amount of Flags to find. No "Ends" just "Means". You don't achieve Peace through conquest just like you don't Achieve Love or Happiness like some carnival prize. You either live it from one moment to the next or you don't!! Each person creates all "Meaning" in thier individual lives for themselves which leaves each of us responsible to either "Live Happy/Peacefully/etc." or "Live in Forced Combat for an End that isn't there".

If only those damn aliens would invade already. We could learn to work together to fight off the aliens, then upload a computer virus on their hard drive and then when their ships crash into the grand canyon we'll all hug each other just like in the movies. Come oon you damn aliens invade already!

Lecky...

no...

we should at least try...

hell, i pray for world peace everynight...

who knows if this helps

StarBreather...

never, ever, ever

mOjOm...

exactly...

peace being forced is NOT peace...

this is my point...

its not peace BUT its the best thing we'll ever have...

and yes...

religion and invisible boundaries ARE man-made...

but there negative affects last now, and maybe forever...

Croat56,
Glad to see you're picking up the slack buddy!! You're correct in your analysis. Not only do we have to Kick their Butt's for being Different than us and wanting what scraps of Earth that are actually left for themselves. But now they get an extra butt-woopin for taken too damn long in the planetary invasion thing!!!

Man, those Lazy Cosmic Terrorists are really gonna get what's comming to 'em!! :lolL

Originally posted by mOjOm
Croat56,
Glad to see you're picking up the slack buddy!! You're correct in your analysis. Not only do we have to Kick their Butt's for being Different than us and wanting what scraps of Earth that are actually left for themselves. But now they get an extra butt-woopin for taken too damn long in the planetary invasion thing!!!

Man, those Lazy Cosmic Terrorists are really gonna get what's comming to 'em!! :lolL

Hell ya we need to kick those greys small pale arses! I want to give them the three stooges poke in the eye!

Sad to say it, but the world has never been at peace ever since humanity figured out how to hurt one another. Some grey is probably laughing his ass of as we decimate ourselves with no benefit. I think that there is only one thing that can prevent humans from killing other humans. As Croat56 said, we need an extraterrestrial enemy. Why will this bring peace to humanity? Not because we'll be so happy and all that we kicked alien ass and we're alive and all. Because we'll be too busy worrying about the guy with the more high tech gun.

I agree we will never get it perfectly right but I can see no reason why we cannot live civillised peaceable lives throughtout the planet.

As has been said we have far more in common than divides us all and if we choose that is a hell of a start to work from.
It is in our own personal and societal selfish interests to have a peaceful world.

It is the dwelling on that which divides us and the unnecessary focus on 'the other' that is our problem.
It both attracts many of us (because difference is interesting) and scares some of us (because it is easy to create fear from ignorance).

But we have made it this far I see no reason why we cannot educate ourselves to better and better.