Second of all, you are assuming that everyone of those people that the police has used tasers on did not do anything to warrant being tasered.
I didn't assume that, I didn't say that, I wasn't thinking that. You're assuming I've assumed something.
Lots of people do lots of stupid
things, and they pay for their stupidity in lots of ways. 50,000 volts is not the worst punishment for stupidity, not by a long shot. What I want to
see is some universally accepted guidelines for the usage of Tasers. As it is, many cops can use Tasers just because a suspect is resisting verbally.
I think putting someone at the risk of death because they're giving an officer lip is a bad idea.
The problem is, as I see it, many people continue to claim that these things don't kill people. That leads to people using them callously, as
opposed to with the care one would expect of any other potentially deadly weapon. If a cop can Taser someone to get them to comply with orders, why
can't parents? Because the cops have risen above the law, and we need to remedy that situation or learn to be slaves again.
i would agree that it is probably true that some police officers do use excessive force against some people, but what you are claiming is an
exageration...it is as simple as that. I have seen people fight with police, as in struggling and physically attacking them claiming they are
innocent, when in fact they are not.
What exagerated claim have I made? I was referencing the news, and showing instances of abuse of power. I was making suggestions to relieve the
burden on police and renew trust in the system. I don't see any wild exagerations in my earlier posts, and I just checked to make sure. If you
would be more specific, I'd appreciate it. As it is, you're saying I said something ridiculous, but you're not saying what I said. Follow me?
And as to your second point, sure, all the criminals say they're innocent. That doesn't mean they are. That's why we have courts. Agreed.
However, there is a big difference between that situation and the ones we're talking about. Everybody claims they're innocent, that's a given, but
it's not the job of the police to punish people, they're just the collectors. If the Taser has to be used to collect people, that's fine, if it's
used abusively, that's not.
In any society there has to be laws and citizens should follow those laws....but we all know that many don't, some because they think they should be
able to do anything they want, other's because they are in a powertrip themselves, know that they are guilty yet want to fight their arrest, or are
under the influence of a drug or alcohol.
Absolutely. That's why Tasers can be a useful tool. They can save people who would otherwise be getting a stick to the head, or a bullet in extreme
cases. That's what the Taser was created to do, like I said before, it's not a teaching aid.
You also have to admit that police officers are human beings too, and they have in many situations very little time to assest what they should do in a
situation, so mistakes from time to time will happen. Does this mean we should get rid of police officers? You are out of your mind if you think
I've said so myself at least once during the course of this discussion, cops are just humans. And no, we shouldn't get rid of police officers.
They serve a critical purpose in our society, and we need them around for a number of reasons. What we need is officers who aren't a liability to
the society they get paid to protect. Well trained, well intentioned, respectful, professional officers of the peace, who will take to heart the
motto that graces their car door; Protect & Serve.
Should we get rid of tasers? More people will get hurt a lot more if police officers have to use more physical force instead of tasers, or even their
guns if the criminal becomes very aggressive trying to hurt or kill the police officer and can't be stopped without the use of lethal force.
No, as I said before, Tasers are a useful tool. What we need is to set some boundaries for the use of said tool, and strictly punish abuse. Better
cops, better training, more awareness, no tolerance for abuse.
I am reading your posts, rest assured. And in comparison to the number of police officers who are assaulted every year, about 3.9 million citizens
are assaulted in 2033, according to the most recent summary from the DOJ. Just to put things in perspective.
What I'm trying to point out is that the world is a dangerous place, and it can only be made less dangerous by a culture of mutual respect. Cops do
a dangerous job, but it's less dangerous statisitically than working in a convenience store. Do you grant convenience store employees the right to
Taser, beat, subdue, or abuse customers who are arrogant or combative, or are acting like they might possibly have a weapon? If a customer in a
convenience store reaches into his pocket, does the clerk leap over the counter and put the guy in a choke hold?
Cops are no more entitled to be raging bulls than any other citizen. We're all just trying to survive, and the best way to do that, is to show each
other some respect. As I've said before, most of the problem lies with citizens who don't show the cops any respect. However, they will never
change unless the cops do. This situation is a bit like the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, in that we're locked in a downward spiral of fear,
mistrust, and violence.
I don't have any more solutions at the moment, but I think the earlier ones I made have some merit. They would hopefully reduce the instances of
police brutality, and that in turn would hopefully reduce the instances of citizen agression.
Now, another part of the problem is the 'under siege' mentality that cops often have. They slip into an Us vs. Them mentality, and that is no way
to conduct yourself around your fellow citizens. Most cops justify this mentality by citing assault and murder statistics, but as I pointed out
earlier, statistically their job is less dangerous than being a store clerk. The mentality they are holding on to is not only hurting our society,
it's making their job more difficult, because it fosters resentment, and heightens the possibility for a confrontation.
I think much can be done to change the minsets of both police and citizens, but it's going to require some honest evaluation by both parties. Maybe
a solution is impossible, I don't know. Working towards a solution, however improbable, just seems like the right thing to do.
[edit on 5-5-2005 by WyrdeOne]