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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Brilliant!
Brilliance would also know this is just another thread by a person disgruntled with the Christian faith.
As usual, this will be sent over to the religion, philosophy, spirituality and "This is where you're wrong about my religion" forum at BTS.
Come back when you have a conspiracy.
Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
Well maybe that's how it works in America. I can tell you that church is nothing like that where I go.
Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource
This post is geared for those that still may not understand why christians have such a deep faith and belief. You will not get a logical answer from a christian if asked why they believe; for no logical answer exists. ]
Originally posted by dbrandt
I'm sorry you never got that part, because that is the part that God wants you to have.
Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource
That is what I got out of it. those that claim to know the Eternal and Infinite Creative Source while simultaneously limiting the thinking of themselves and those they speak with.
Of course, I know other people that got the right things out of it. But a quick look around shows that people like you are not in the majority.
I mean how can anyone put limits or definitions on the Infinite? That doesn't make any sense. And to interpret the bible completely literally and believe it 100% makes no sense either.
[edit on 4-30-2005 by ShadowHasNoSource]
You will not get a logical answer from a christian if asked why they believe; for no logical answer exists.
Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource
Church services (in the U.S.) that parallel hypnosis sessions and sales pitches, has a conspiritorial ring to it despite what certain people may think. That point was not even addressed so it still stands despite this thread being in BTS.
Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource
I said nothing about God but to connect it for you I would say: I seriously doubt God wants everyone to accept things at face value without asking questions and searching deeper.
I did not mean for this....
You will not get a logical answer from a christian if asked why they believe; for no logical answer exists.
...to be taken as challenge. It is simply reality.
Originally posted by dbrandt
Instead of complaining do something about it.
Originally posted by Raphael_UO
This is the way we come to believe anything to be true and it is perfectly logical.
Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource
My point would be that the church is not only unneccessary but could be detrimental to the spirit if disernment isn't used.
Instead of sitting around reading a 2000 year old book why don't you get out and experience God for yourself. I don't need to sit around beating a dead horse and limiting myself. I've read the bible completely. And just like any other book I move on when I'm done.
There's a whole freaking world that "God" has presented for you to learn from.
Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource
Just because you put belief and logical in the same sentence doesn't make belief logical.
Why do so many require this mental construct known as belief? I don't require belief.
The reactions to this thread (minus the first post) were defensive. What is it that requires your defense? God? Please think about that.
Originally posted by Raphael_UO
The reasoning prior to that statement made belief logical.
You simply fool yourself if you believe you do not require beliefs.
For example, when you stated that "no logical answer exists" that was a belief.
The evidence you had of the existance of a logical answer did not reach your burden of proof, therefore you believed that such an answer did not exist.
If it were not for this belief, you would not have made the statement.
Defensive because they disagree with your perception? Or defensive because they defended their beliefs?
I did not defend anything I believed in my first post. In fact I defended something you said, and then shared my thoughts on how beliefs are logical. You on the other hand were quite defensive when I pointed it out. What is it that required your defense?
Originally posted by dbrandt
I guess I should have asked first what your definition of "church" is. The catholic curch, or the physical building, or true believers from all over the world, or the idea of a meeting place where organized services are, or that there is a God, etc.
Could you narrow it down.
There is a thing about the Bible, You can't read it once though like other books and get all there is to know from it. You could read a verse 100 times and on the 101st time God will show you something new. As a christian we live in the world, and try to make an impact for Christ on it. I think that's different than what you are talking about.
Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource
I can take very logical steps to jump off a building. That does not make the jumping logical.
Taken out of context. In the context of human society the statement is correct.
Belief is what you attributed to it. I deal in relative probability. My posts do not represent belief. They represent different planes of understanding based on the subject matter and the general audience.
Incorrect.
Defensive because they weren't rebuffed based on verifiable experience or evidence. It was based on feeling.
All your original post did was further steer the thread off target. And I'm at fault as well for taking the bait.