National Socialism

Evil Elf you are making me dive into this yet again.

The Nazi's were anti-jewish for good reasons they were a threat the nation of Germany so the Nazi party used that for support.

This does not mean that all fascists hate Jews. ONLY NAZI'S HATE JEWS! For what reason IDK. I am pro fascist but I am anti-nazi. There is no reason to blame Jews for anything. The real threat of the world and the U.S. nation are muslims and it is the truth.

So you can't say as a whole if you are pro-jew then you can't be socialist, this is a complete ignorant ideal.

ADD- Let me say again too that Hitler does not deserve the fame he got. He was not the one who started fascism it was Mussolini and Hitler just took it to the extreme. Mussolini himself called him a racsist and prevert.

So let me make this clear once and for all! If you are pro fascist it does NOT mean you are a Nazi. Hitler, IMO was a bad example of a leader and a fascist, Mussolini was the one who started it and he was the better leader.

[edit on 13-7-2006 by Techsnow]

Originally posted by Techsnow
Odium its not about helping them anymore.

So what is it about?

Originally posted by Techsnow
There is no help for them. Now, it is a matter of elimination. They want to eliminate us more than we do them.

Do they? You know, it is odd but I live in a Muslim area of my town. In fact, I am one of only three Non-Muslim families out of about 50. However, I have never had a bad word said about me nor do I have a bad word to say about them. Out of everyone I’ve met, everywhere I have lived, this is the nicest and safest place.

Originally posted by Techsnow
We HAVE given Iraq democracy and thats great but how long will the strife go on?

They didn’t want it. You can’t go giving freedom around to people, when for much of their life they’ve known otherwise. It takes time, look at the history of Europe. Look what happened when we went around giving it to parts of Europe. Do people never bother to look at the rise of people like Hitler? Democracy can only happen when the people are ready you can not force it onto them.

Originally posted by Techsnow
It could be a long time... religious roots are deep and unless religion is eliminated by free will it is very hard to destroy other wise.

Then why not let it happen? There’s an easy answer. If people want Muslim Nation’s to play a long, all Governments of the West have to do is start investing in renewable energy. What does the Middle East have? Oil. As soon as the Governments find out we have no need for it, they’ll crack down on Islamic Extremists all on their own. As soon as they realise, that unless they stop supporting terrorists and threatening Israel we won’t do business with them. That will cause them to change.

Originally posted by Techsnow
But in order to get a clear picture of the situation you have to examine the whole picture. There are currently how many muslim theocratical nations in the world?

How many Christian ones are there? The United Kingdom for example. The head of State here is also the Head of the Church of England. What about Israel? See, there are Muslim, Jewish and Christian Nations.

Originally posted by Techsnow
Are we supposed to just sit by and let these muslim nations gain more power to support there insane ideals and way of life? Do we want to be under the rule of this religion?

How will we be under the rule of their Religion? This is a lot of scare tactics to be honest. There is no evidence that these Governments intend to take over the World or would even be able too. Also, not every Islamic Nation is the same nor is every version of Islam. The worst version of Islam, is the one the Bush Government supports the most - that which is in Saudi Arabia. That’s where all the ideas of the West being wrong stem from and yet they’re still doing business with them and helping to indirectly fund them.

Originally posted by Techsnow
I for one have examined the Muslim religion closely and I know how the religion was started (war) and I know what the religion is about to this day (war). Where is it going.. let me guess.. war?

Clearly, you’ve not examined it that well.

Which Islamic Schools History do you believe then? I can think off of the top of my head, of 8 but I am aware there are many more. Each one paints a very different picture of early Islamic life. However, we’ll use the Sunni doctrine. This is due to the fact, it is the only one which has so far allowed Non-Islamic Scholars to examine it on mass.

So when was the first Islamic War? Well, actually it was 12 years after Mohammed began to preach. If you had bothered to do any research, you would know at roughly 610 C.E. he got his divine revelation. In 622 they had to flee Mecca because they were classed as heretics. They were then attacked in Medina and won the Battle of Badr. They then united the tribes of the surrounding area under Mohammed but not Islam. The tribes were sick of the Christian and Jewish Ruling Arabs for punishing them for their religion. They were the attacked, not the attackers. How is it their fault? Unless you have access to a transpiration device and can go back in time. There is no alternative source at the present moment.

Originally posted by Techsnow
As I've said before this is what is going on, people wake up. There is a real threat in the world that has to be dealt with and we can't just sit idle while they gain power over the years. Sure they don't have nukes today but tomorrow.. then what do we do? The time is now.

They don’t have Nukes? Does Chagai-I not ring a bell? Evidently, you’re not the Islamic Scholar you try and make out. Pakistan has had Nuclear Weapons since 1998. Pakistan is still an Islamic Theocracy. I just assume you over look this. It’s why I waited so long to reply, hoped you be wise enough to go and research your claims.

In future, don’t bother talking about Islam to someone who has actually studied it. Someone who was going to study Islamic Politics at University, before I decided to become a Lawyer. So where did you study it? Over the internet? Which books? Do you speak any Arabic or you basing your knowledge off of other peoples translations? Have you visited a Mosque? Have you been to any of these Islamic Nations? Or do you just judge them without ever experiencing their culture?

Should you, be judge because of the Gnadenhütten massacre?

Do we all of a sudden cast judgement on the children, grand children, great-great grand children of criminals? Do we now punish the innocent because of teh guilty? If that's what you desire to impose on the Middle East and if that is what American Stands for then I'm disgusted.

Trustnone does indeed have a point. I agree with him. This must be stopped before the United States is ruined.

[edit on 10-9-2006 by Darth Sidious]

Originally posted by Techsnow
The Nazi's were anti-jewish for good reasons, they were a threat the nation of Germany so the Nazi party used that for support.
This does not mean that all fascists hate Jews. ONLY NAZI'S HATE JEWS!

Actually the nazi party was a text book example of what fascism is.
If you think that you can have fascism without an atmosphere of hate, fear, conflict, racism, and absolute control, then you don't understand the true nature of fascism.

Granted most fascists won't go as far as the Nazis did, but does that make it good?

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

www.m-w.com...

Merriam-Webster defines fascism as "a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

www.harunyahya.com...

Fascism requires total subordination to the state, in other words you are not a free individual. Anyone who doesn't bow to the state is a criminal.
Another fascist trait is social Darwinism, survival of the fittest, usually them obviously. So any race considered week, Jews for nazis Muslims for you, will not be tolerated in a fascist state. So inevitably fascism and racism go hand in hand. They also consider conflict to be better than peace, to create a dynamic country. In other words you will never have peace with fascism, just constant conflict.
A great system...for the psycopath

Hey sounds a lot like what we have in the West now, no?

I'd like to know why you think the Jews were a threat to Germany? They were no more a threat than the Muslims are to us. Again a similar fascist tactic, like 9-11, was used to dupe the population into following the state in their way of thinking. Social Darwinism in action. Concentration camps...Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Abu Ghraib.

You already have your fascist state, you must be happy?

People should read and get a sense of history, and learn from it. Forget fascism, comunism, socialism, capitilism, all have failed, none benefit the common man. Think for yourself.

[edit on 10/9/2006 by ANOK]

I could not agree with you more. Although the Nazis gave themselves a bad name by committing genocide, their true intentions are what matter. They had the right idea but went about all wrong.

Originally posted by Trustnone
To many they think of National Socialist as racists. Nazis are not so much about racism as much they are about being allowed the most they can possibly become without being plagued by social parasites who have no nation of their own. The Nazi parties of the past attempted to do this by genocide which really gave them a bad image. Deportation of social parasites is far more effective and cheaper. In the U.S.A. we would be better off if we deported the mexicans to mexico and repatriotriate the blacks to africa(not their fault they were brought here and should be given the option to leave) if they wish not to leave and be productive lets have seperate communities and try to develop the country more fully. Under National Socialism the Education system would be held responsible for turning out uneducated people. Multicultralism must be abandoned since it is counter productive.

Originally posted by Darth Sidious
the Nazis gave themselves a bad name by committing genocide, their true intentions are what matter.

- No.

Their years of deeds are all that matter.

They had the right idea but went about all wrong.

- You cannot divide their intent from the outcome.

One followed the other as night follows day.

Originally posted by Darth Sidious
Trustnone does indeed have a point. I agree with him. This must be stopped before the United States is ruined.

Trustnone had such a good point he's been banned, I hope it was for what he is adovcating in this thread.

Darth Sidious, the US is almost entirely full of immigrants, the only people with a right to that land is the native americans who had it stolen off them. As others have said, there is noting that can replace multiculturalism. England wouldn't be half the country it is if national socialism was practiced. If I was a moderator you would be a banned member too.

It sickens me that you think the Nazi's had a good idea.

byhiniur, i agree

the only way i think any reasonable human being could see the nazis as good is if you hid all of their policies from the person and only showed them the economic rebound the nazis caused

and even that was a product of their racist policies...

so, nevermind
nazis = 100% bad

Originally posted by Darth Sidious
Trustnone does indeed have a point. I agree with him. This must be stopped before the United States is ruined.

The united states has gotten stronger and stronger with each impulse of new immigrants. NO nation, in the history of the world, has ever been 'destroyed by immigration'. The nazis were idiots, they had the power to really help germany, to fix a lot of problems, and make it a superpower. By the end of their insane rule, germany was rubble and split in too, with millions of germans killed in their pointless wars and in their deathcamps. The nazis were idiots.