The Final Word On Bohemian Grove

Good point way of topic. However, BG is in the background. Its not a real issue its just a piece in a much large problem. Isnt that why people even look into it to begin with? The idea of power moving up not down? The crimes arent crimes till we see them in court. I think there is something very wrong with BG but some could think the same of my home too. They dont know what goes on in the basement. But if I and a group of people are going down there and this same group of people are in control of the major sectors of this nation than something is happening, good or bad. It is clear that these people do bad things, maybe not at BG but in the third world for sure.

This is a great read. WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than the questionable, made up paranoid BS Alex Jones puts out, and far more reliable than the questionable claims of former "sex slaves". Finally, a stable, more rational source of information on the Bohemian grove that doesnt involve questionable sources or content.

I saved the PDF file to my computer for future reading. From what Ive read so far, it does appear to confirm my own opinions on the Grove, which I think is basically little more than a rich boys summer camp, where powerful rich white guys can sit around, let loose, exchange information, stock tips, or support one another in their exclusive club, maybe even make a backroom deal or two.

But as far as secret Satanic rituals, human sacrifice, CIA mind controlled sex slaves, ect, I feel that is basically a bunch of paranoid crap to make something more nefarious and sinister out of what simply is an exclusive club for the very rich.

And Alex Jones Video tape was about the worst joke Ive ever seen. Ive seen low budget cheesy horror films more convincing than that crap.

Just for now, lets say it's true, the leaders worship some giant Owl statue with evil intentions, and carry out secret horrible acts there. Well, if their MK Ultra results were good, and they can implant fake memories, or erase others, the only way we will become aware of such activities is when they
want us to. I just had a thought.... what if the hypnotic trance stories were planted for the sole purpose of directing attention away from something else? Some say that the abduction memories are covers for gov't. research experiment memories.
The disinformation strategy is a known one, and it is very successful. It gets everyone to look the other way while they carry out their activities.
Well, anyway, I ain't gonna be the one to try to sneak in there.......

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Just for now, lets say it's true, the leaders worship some giant Owl statue with evil intentions, and carry out secret horrible acts there.

YOU STILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE OF THIS!!!

Don't you people ever learn...???

Just what have you read of the Bohemian-Monarch sources, Skadi? All sources are "questionable."

you elitists sure love saying
"just leave us alone, let us be!"

but your forgetting something

we rightfully have every reason to bother you elitists!!!!

you make rules and laws that allow police and such to BOTHER AND TRESPASS ON MY PROPERTY ANY TIME THEY WANT

WHY DONT YOU LEAVE ME ALONE FIRST?

alrite point made

until you stop bothering and trespassing onto us poor peoples turf

we will ALWAYS be trespassing on YOUR GROUND

so just STOP bothering US FIRST
then we will stop bothering you

deal?

Originally posted by muzzleflash
until you stop bothering and trespassing onto us poor peoples turf

we will ALWAYS be trespassing on YOUR GROUND

so just STOP bothering US FIRST
then we will stop bothering you

deal?

You really have no idea how politics works, do you?

The point is not whether or not there is direct proof of the allegations concerning those who rule the world and congregate at places like the Bohemian Grove Club, but whether those allegations are credible or incredible, and the fact is that there is proof that shows that it wouldn't be surprising if some day those nasty-sounding assertions were proven to be true.

There is proof that Operation Paperclip included researchers who were Satanists and who developed mind-programming techniques in the Nazi concentration camps that were later adopted by the U.S. secret services, and that these evil scientists were responsible for the present-day wave of Satanic cults.

The so-called Greenbaum Speech, officially titled "Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse", is part of the evidence, and here are some revealing paragraphs:

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Dr.H: (...) The Satanism comes in the overall philosophy overriding all of this.

People say, "What's the purpose of it?" My best guess is that the purpose of it is that they want an army of Manchurian Candidates, ten of thousands of mental robots who will do prostitution, do child pornography, smuggle drugs, engage in international arms smuggling, do snuff films, all sorts of very lucrative things and do their bidding and eventually the megalomaniacs at the top believe they'll create a Satanic Order that will rule the world. One last question. Then I'll give you couple of details and we need to shift gears.

Q: You have suggested and implied that at some point at a high level of the U.S. Government there was support of this kind of thing. I know we're short of time, but could you just say a few words about the documentation that may exist for that suggestion?

Dr.H: There isn't great documentation of it. It comes from victims who are imperiled witnesses. The interesting thing is how many people have described the same scenario and how many people that we have worked with who have had relatives in NASA, in the CIA and in the Military, including very high-ups in the Military.

I can tell you that a friend and colleague of mine who has probably the equivalent of half the table space on that far side of the room filled with boxes with declassified documents from mind-control research done in the past which has been able to be declassified over a considerable -- couple of decades -- period and has read more government documents about mind control than anyone else, has a brief that has literally been sent in the past week and a half asking for all information to be declassified about the Monarch Project for us to try to find out more.
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This is no sensationalist author trying to get rich by turning to slander. Dr. D.C. Hammond has quite a background:

B.S. M.S. Ph.D (Counseling Psychology) from the University of Utah,
Diplomate in Clinical Hypnosis, the American Board of Psychological Hypnosis,
Diplomate in Sex Therapy, the American Board of Sexology,
Clinical Supervisor and Board Examiner, American Board of Sexology,
Diplomate in Marital and Sex Therapy, American Board of Family Psychology,
Licensed Psychologist,
Licensed Marital Therapist,
Licensed Family Therapist, State of Utah,
Research Associate Professor of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, Utah School of Medicine,
Director and Founder of the Sex and Marital Therapy Clinic, University of Utah.
Adjunct Associate Professor of Educational Psychology, University of Utah Abstract
Editor, The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis
Advising Editor and Founding Member, Editorial Board, The Ericsonian Monograph
Referee, The Journal of Abnormal Psychology
1989 Presidential Award of Merit, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis
1990 Urban Sector Award, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis
Current President, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis
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Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Without anything more than trance channelled hearsay, few will care...

Just for now, lets say it's true, the leaders worship some giant Owl statue with evil intentions, and carry out secret horrible acts there. Well, if their MK Ultra results were good, and they can implant fake memories, or erase others, the only way we will become aware of such activities is when they
want us to. I just had a thought.... what if the hypnotic trance stories were planted for the sole purpose of directing attention away from something else? Some say that the abduction memories are covers for gov't. research experiment memories.
The disinformation strategy is a known one, and it is very successful. It gets everyone to look the other way while they carry out their activities.
Well, anyway, I ain't gonna be the one to try to sneak in there.......

YOU STILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE OF THIS!!!

Don't you people ever learn...???

You missed my point, which was that we don't know. I made it very clear with my opening sentence that I was proposing a completely hypothetical scenario. If you had read my post thoroughly, you might have caught that.
To clarify, for those who also thought that my post stated my beliefs about this place, I did not mean to imply that. I only referred to info. I have read, and never once said I believe it is true.
For all I know it is just a very exclusive retreat for the rich and powerful.
I hope that is clear now, and btw..
no, I don't think I will ever learn.

Originally posted by gl2
Just what have you read of the Bohemian-Monarch sources, Skadi? All sources are "questionable."

Ive read enough on this board and a thousand other webpages that I have yet to see cite any solid evidence that things like Child sacrifice, devlip worship, brainwashing and mind control occur there.

From the few rational sources on this subject, the Bohemian Grove seems to be what it appears to be: a rich boys campout with luxuries, a few hired hookers, and maybe a little dope and booze thrown in for good measure. Nothing unusual or sinister there. Sounds like any gathering of elites for fun. I honestly don't see why people trip out over this stuff and add things that aren't true to make it into some evil Satanic international conspiracy.

Even rich boys need their exclusive little get together to do whatever assorted weirdness and fun the idle rich have.

Glad to see someone actually read the paper that this thread is about, Skadi! It seems that most of the so called "experts" on the Bohemian Club find it easier to read Alex Jone's website for 15 minutes than actually spend a few hours reading an academic report. I have bought some BC literature off ebay and can find nothing sinister, perhaps a few allusions to sex, and aphrodisiacs in the drinks at the Hillbilly camp, but nothing satanic. I should be recieving a copy of "The Annals of the Bohemian Club" officers book shortly, got a sweet deal on it too. The tiny paperback "Camps of the Bohemian Grove" cost me damn near 50 dollars. I'm also trying to aquire the official copies of some of the annual plays that are presented there... Especially the one entitled "Let Us Eat Babies, Worship Satan, and Control the World"

its a classic case of do what i say, dont do what i do. The reports about the skull&bones ceremonies are even more bizzare that the BG stuff.
Well i certainly wouldnt trust a masons word on it

ps: wouldnt trust that supposedly abused lady either after i saw her in an interview...she certainly looks a bit out of it

[edit on 3-5-2005 by nukunuku]

Originally posted by nukunuku
Well i certainly wouldnt trust a masons word on it

Suuuuure, cuz you and your sources are SO trustworthy! You have YET to present ANY kind of material evidence that gives us some sort of conclusive proof of the claims you have made time and time again. You are the untrustworthy one.

I am interested in what type of "aphrodisiac" the Hillbillies (which President Bush is reportedly a member) use to spike their drinks... Certainly not oysters... Also referred to in my literature is a "down the escalator" drink, with an accompanying escalator symbol. Not sure what that is about either. I am going to work on posting the contents of the book online so you can see for yourselves the descriptions of the camps within Bohemain Grove. There are many symbols without a legend, so it makes it damn near impossible to know what each camp actually offers its revelers.

and you have yet to convince anyone that it really isnt what it looks like

Originally posted by nukunuku
and you have yet to convince anyone that it really isnt what it looks like

I don't need to, because I'm not the one making assumptions.

you are strangely at ease that members of a high society are "running around naked in the woods" and conducting these more than strange rituals. Have you cremated your care already by any chance?

Originally posted by nukunuku
you are strangely at ease that members of a high society are "running around naked in the woods" and conducting these more than strange rituals. Have you cremated your care already by any chance?

No, I just don't feel that it's any of my business what they do on their own private time. Needless to say, I am nont a hypocrite like the members of this forum who feel the government should stay out of THEIR private lives, but then seek to intrude into the private lives of government members.

but is this the type of behaviour you consider normal?

bohemian itself means out of normal, but members are prominent people that make decisions that concern all of us. That is why i am not "at ease" with this. I dont like the idea of these people making decisions in my name.

And one other thing....while you are so "well manered" as not to intrude on their private business, wouldnt you like to be treated the same? Well something tells me they will know everything about you in any given moment....i wouldnt call it fair exactly.

sleep well, big brother will be watching you

Originally posted by nukunuku
but is this the type of behaviour you consider normal?

bohemian itself means out of normal, but members are prominent people that make decisions that concern all of us. That is why i am not "at ease" with this. I dont like the idea of these people making decisions in my name.

And one other thing....while you are so "well manered" as not to intrude on their private business, wouldnt you like to be treated the same? Well something tells me they will know everything about you in any given moment....i wouldnt call it fair exactly.

sleep well, big brother will be watching you

It doesn't matter if I consider it normal, it's none of my damn business. Just like me being a mason is none of their business! Nobody is watching me, because I am not paranoid like you.