Those Fake Death Numbers From Hamas Out Of Gaza

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

On the other hand, can you debate any of the sources that I have published

Debate what? The number of times Hamas has attacked and killed innocents vs the Israeli's doing the same?

That show would be over before it started.

And you know it.

Game. Set. Match.

Next?

a reply to: SchrodingersRat

Hamas shoot Israeli dogs.

Israelis rescue Palestinian dogs.

I’m not going to post the three videos of Hamas killing dogs because I like dogs and I’ve posted them before.



And another…

t.me...

People who unnecessarily harm animals aren’t right in the head.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
They have a 5th grade level of education, are more concerned about female penises, than the real world.

As someone else said, what we are reading here sounds like it's coming from a 15-year-old in their first social studies class with a SJW / CRT / DEI / LGBT teacher. O so smug ... proclaiming Hamas propaganda ... thinking they are brilliant and evolved when in fact they are just indoctrinated and being used.

The statistics professor from Wharton showed that statistically the numbers coming from Gaza are impossible. That's just the science of it. And it's common sense. Others will claim that the numbers are just fine. Thats devoid of rational thinking but whatever. The bottom line is that Hamas can't be trusted and that no one really knows how many dead people are in Gaza .. and no one would be dead there if Hamas hadn't attacked Israel and if they would have given up the hostages.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Strictly mathemaically speaking he's not done a full proof - there's a couple of extra steps required (p values and probability equations)

His statements and interpretation is all sound and any mathematician/person can see the full proof will back up his statements, but the proof should still be conducted in a nitpicking mathematical sense.

It's not quite a statistical paper - it's a magazine article for Tablet Mag aimed at general population rather than obscure stats published in journals. It's an excellent article and welll writen for the audience but his points are still correct and can be published as a stats paper for a journal with a few extra steps.

Real statistical analysis is like this (warning PDF) - Statistical analysis paper

Us mathematicians are annoyingly pedantic - his analysis is valid but doesn't meet the full stats analysis requirements to be published in a journal, but the extra steps required will prove his analysis is correct.

Edit: Just noticed he has calculated p-values and R^2 for a couple of the graphs. shown in the top leftcorner, which mathematically proves his analysis- it just needs raw data and equations used to elligible for publication.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Others will claim that the numbers are just fine. Thats devoid of rational thinking but whatever. The bottom line is that Hamas can't be trusted and that no one really knows how many dead people are in Gaza ..

Those accounts from the PA aint the only numbers we have, so the science on this subject disagrees with you.

There are certain building blocks of society that require agreement for us to work well collectively. Society is weaker and discourse less productive if we cannot agree on at least a few basic things. In the case of Gaza, acknowledging that there was an appalling and extremely deadly attack on October 7th, and that over 30,000 Gazans have died since, mostly women and children, seems like the most basic of cornerstones of reality on which to move toward constructive discussion and eventual resolution.

The Science Is Clear. Over 30,000 People Have Died in Gaza

a reply to: PsiOPs

That's a fantastic article with a lot of links to the studies etc...Need to read it a couple more time to digest the info. Thanks for posting

Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on Earth so the 30,000 figure isn't that suprising as it's the equivalent of London being bombed for six months. It shouldn't be abused as proof of genocide though as figures would be 250,000+ i that was the case.

Longtime lurker and literally created an account to say that you're all sad and full of #. Gaza is one of the most densely populated places in the planet.

Look at before and after photos, and you doubt that many people are dead? This is a lowball estimate.

This site is nothing more than a mainstream mouthpiece. How sad, and very ironic.

a reply to: styx696

I myself have reserved commentary on this war till now only
to say.

I don't know what to think or believe about this fiasco. What I
do know is without freespeech protection all the way around
we may never know the truth. Cause you can't trust anything
you hear or even see without it.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: PsiOPs

That's a fantastic article with a lot of links to the studies etc...Need to read it a couple more time to digest the info. Thanks for posting

Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on Earth so the 30,000 figure isn't that suprising as it's the equivalent of London being bombed for six months. It shouldn't be abused as proof of genocide though as figures would be 250,000+ i that was the case.

Talking about said building blocks in society... I don't think we're working too well collectively. Last time I checked we had the Geneva Conventions to prevent the mere of thought of genocide.

Dunno about you but that's a tough one to swallow for me. We don't really need to talk about the actual number of certified dead people when we can watch an entire population being starved to death, do we?

www.reuters.com...

Israel's brazen land thieving continues unphased by the war on Palestinians, akin to being brutally assaulted then robbed.


JERUSALEM, March 22 (Reuters) - Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich on Friday declared 800 hectares in the occupied West Bank as state land, in a move that will facilitate the use of the ground for settlement building

originally posted by: Zairek
www.reuters.com...

Israel's brazen land thieving continues unphased by the war on Palestinians, akin to being brutally assaulted then robbed.


JERUSALEM, March 22 (Reuters) - Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich on Friday declared 800 hectares in the occupied West Bank as state land, in a move that will facilitate the use of the ground for settlement building

www.independent.co.uk...

originally posted by: PsiOPs
.. the science on this subject disagrees with you.

The math disagrees with your 'science'.
The facts disagree with your 'science'.
Statistically speaking, the numbers do not add up.
And Hamas has been caught lying about the numbers.
Remember when they claimed Israel airbombed a hospital and 500 died?
Turned out their own rocket fell in the parking lot and 50 died.
And Hamas counts dead terrorists as civilian dead.
They do not differentiate.

Therefore, the numbers of dead in Gaza are in dispute.
No one really knows how many have died.
To repeat the Hamas propaganda that 30,000 civilians have died is poppycock.
Statistics and common sense put that number into dispute.

Take a look at Gaza, it's not too hard to believe that 20-30k civilians have been killed. Palestinians have no where to go. Israel military not doing anything to avoid killed civilians in Gaza.

The world is waking up to Israel government atrocities in Palestine and Gaza.

a reply to: FlyersFan

No one really knows how many have died.

If, as you say, no one knows, how are you able to affirm that the data is false?

You also justify that everything is Hamas for the complete destruction of Gaza. How do you know this is all Hamas?

The murdered doctors are hamas
the murdered UN members are Hamas
the murdered journalists are Hamas
the murdered babies are Hamas
the murdered patients are Hamas
the elderly are Hamas
the women are Hamas
the cows and other animals killed are Hamas
The destroyed churches are Hamas
The destroyed mosques are Hamas
the destroyed universities are Hamas
the destroyed schools are Hamas
70% of the destroyed houses are Hamas
the destroyed hospitals are Hamas

We still do not know if the exact number of murdered people is 32,000, 30,000, 25,000 or 40,000.

What we do see clearly is that one of the most densely populated areas in the world is being led to unprecedented destruction against civilians. It seems that in the eyes of the world, the excuse of it's Hamas or it's their fault is over.

Your argument crosses all lines, international laws, human rights and I highly doubt that you will use it as a justification in your country or any other (Ukraine?)

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: PsiOPs
.. the science on this subject disagrees with you.

The math disagrees with your 'science'.
The facts disagree with your 'science'.
Statistically speaking, the numbers do not add up.
And Hamas has been caught lying about the numbers.
Remember when they claimed Israel airbombed a hospital and 500 died?
Turned out their own rocket fell in the parking lot and 50 died.
And Hamas counts dead terrorists as civilian dead.
They do not differentiate.

Therefore, the numbers of dead in Gaza are in dispute.
No one really knows how many have died.
To repeat the Hamas propaganda that 30,000 civilians have died is poppycock.
Statistics and common sense put that number into dispute.

Which dispute? The science seems to disagree with you a lot, not unlike the rest of the UN.

Does that bother you?

originally posted by: PsiOPs
a reply to: FlyersFan

Others will claim that the numbers are just fine. Thats devoid of rational thinking but whatever. The bottom line is that Hamas can't be trusted and that no one really knows how many dead people are in Gaza ..

Those accounts from the PA aint the only numbers we have, so the science on this subject disagrees with you.

There are certain building blocks of society that require agreement for us to work well collectively. Society is weaker and discourse less productive if we cannot agree on at least a few basic things. In the case of Gaza, acknowledging that there was an appalling and extremely deadly attack on October 7th, and that over 30,000 Gazans have died since, mostly women and children, seems like the most basic of cornerstones of reality on which to move toward constructive discussion and eventual resolution.

The Science Is Clear. Over 30,000 People Have Died in Gaza

Other studies are calling BS on the numbers. There is nothing absolute or credible about the death toll unless you think that the “media” numbers being reported are going to be accurate. I think we all know that there is no way they’re going to be accurate, it’s improbable to say the least. There’s no doubt that the toll numbers are being manipulated as well as the gender demographics.

Read the article and it will start making sense and lead to better understanding of the graph.

In the first month of the war, the Hamas-controlled Ministry of Health (MOH) in Gaza relied on its existing collection system, made up primarily of hospitals and morgues, to certify each death. Starting in early November, however, hospitals in northern Gaza began to shut down or evacuate during the Israeli ground invasion, spurring the MOH to introduce a new, undefined methodology for counting fatalities: media reports. This methodology, which the MOH has rarely acknowledged publicly, accounts for the majority of fatalities reported over the past four months, surpassing the traditional collection system.

www.washingtoninstitute.org...

originally posted by: PsiOPs

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: PsiOPs
.. the science on this subject disagrees with you.

The math disagrees with your 'science'.
The facts disagree with your 'science'.
Statistically speaking, the numbers do not add up.
And Hamas has been caught lying about the numbers.
Remember when they claimed Israel airbombed a hospital and 500 died?
Turned out their own rocket fell in the parking lot and 50 died.
And Hamas counts dead terrorists as civilian dead.
They do not differentiate.

Therefore, the numbers of dead in Gaza are in dispute.
No one really knows how many have died.
To repeat the Hamas propaganda that 30,000 civilians have died is poppycock.
Statistics and common sense put that number into dispute.

Which dispute? The science seems to disagree with you a lot, not unlike the rest of the UN.

Does that bother you?

I think logic is disagreeing with you. Do you seriously believe anything the UN says is credible? Are you aware of their track record?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

lol

At least you're honest in your hatred of Israel.

It's rather sick that some of these people want as many dead Palestinians as possible because the more dead Palestinians the more they can attack the Jews for it.