Italian Health Minister Under Investigation for Murder for Concealing COVID-19 Vaccine Deaths

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Matrix13

You missed out the first line of the story....

A graduate died from a rare complication of the AstraZeneca vaccine after being given out-of-date advice, an inquest has heard.

The word rare is enbolded by me, the AZ vaccine hasn't been banned. And before you jump up and down screaming, I think the vaccine was rushed and did lead to more problems in certain age groups and weren't as effective, but still didn't cause the deaths and damage that certain people claim they have.

The article in the OP by the way is a pure propaganda piece and I've posted the actual story in the thread. They were actually accused of not responding quick enough during the intial outbreak of covid which lead to more deaths and not what the OP is trying to claim.

Ex-Italian prime minister and health minister cleared of Covid culpability.

'Safe and effective'
'Rare'

There are many 'rare' deaths and vaccine injuries. We know the propaganda and official narratives.

This is what rare means

A graduate died from a rare complication of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Jack Hurn, from Redditch died on 11 June 2021 from blood clots on the brain after receiving the jab.

His family are taking legal action after a Birmingham Coroners Court hearing revealed the 26-year-old did not receive "proper written guidance

www.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: Matrix13

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Matrix13
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

The AZ vaccine has been completely stopped in most countries that have used it sometime in the past. Learn how to read the links. No longer in use means abandoned for whatever reasons. But the reasons are well known.

Countries that have banned the AstraZeneca vaccine

Denmark was the first country to suspend COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, followed by Ireland, Thailand, the Netherlands, Norway, Iceland, Congo, and Bulgaria.

European countries, including Germany, France, Italy, and Spain have stopped the use of AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine.

Sweden, Latvia and Slovenia joined the league in banning the use of the vaccine.

It's better if you guys face reality rather than trying the vaccine apology path.

The reason the AZ was cancelled
www.bbc.co.uk...

A graduate died from a rare complication of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Jack Hurn, from Redditch died on 11 June 2021 from blood clots on the brain after receiving the jab.

His family are taking legal action after a Birmingham Coroners Court hearing revealed the 26-year-old did not receive "proper written guidance"

'Learn to read links' seems a misplaced, and unintentionally ironic, response to a post pointing out that your links don't support the claim you made.

The most recent link also does not support the claim you are making for it.

Denialism isn't a great path either.
I haven't made any claim by the way, just stated facts.

All countries have abandoned the AZ vaccine due to the serious adverse reactions and deaths it has caused

Countries that have banned the AstraZeneca vaccine

Denmark was the first country to suspend COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, followed by Ireland, Thailand, the Netherlands, Norway, Iceland, Congo, and Bulgaria.

European countries, including Germany, France, Italy, and Spain have stopped the use of AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine.

Sweden, Latvia and Slovenia joined the league in banning the use of the vaccine.

Trying to whitewash the wrongdoings and support the official narratives? It doesn't work I am afraid.

And that's from 2021

www.cnbc.com...

More countries suspend AstraZeneca vaccinations over blood clot fears

Now completely suspended because of these 'rare' blood clots it was causing.

www.euractiv.com...

Denmark was the first country in Europe to suspend the use of the AstraZeneca jab in its vaccination rollout, after reports of rare but serious cases of blood clots among those that had received the vaccine.

More than a dozen countries followed suit but all but a few have since resumed the use after the European Medicines Agency (EMA) emphasised the benefits of the vaccine and deemed it “safe and effective”.

Most countries lifted the suspension. (Not ban)

Your own links show that the AstraZeneca vaccine to have a positive benefit to most age groups.

Other vaccines have became the recomended ones because they have a better benefit to risk. That is far removed from the claims you have made. (and they are claims, not sure how you think otherwise(

a reply to: Kurokage

More of these 'rare' phenomenon

www.bbc.co.uk...

The husband of a BBC presenter who died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine says taking legal action is his only option.

Lisa Shaw, 44, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died in May 2021 a week after her first jab.

Gareth Eve said despite trying to "engage with the government, MPs and three prime ministers" no-one had "reached out" in return

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Matrix13

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Matrix13
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

The AZ vaccine has been completely stopped in most countries that have used it sometime in the past. Learn how to read the links. No longer in use means abandoned for whatever reasons. But the reasons are well known.

Countries that have banned the AstraZeneca vaccine

Denmark was the first country to suspend COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, followed by Ireland, Thailand, the Netherlands, Norway, Iceland, Congo, and Bulgaria.

European countries, including Germany, France, Italy, and Spain have stopped the use of AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine.

Sweden, Latvia and Slovenia joined the league in banning the use of the vaccine.

It's better if you guys face reality rather than trying the vaccine apology path.

The reason the AZ was cancelled
www.bbc.co.uk...

A graduate died from a rare complication of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Jack Hurn, from Redditch died on 11 June 2021 from blood clots on the brain after receiving the jab.

His family are taking legal action after a Birmingham Coroners Court hearing revealed the 26-year-old did not receive "proper written guidance"

'Learn to read links' seems a misplaced, and unintentionally ironic, response to a post pointing out that your links don't support the claim you made.

The most recent link also does not support the claim you are making for it.

Denialism isn't a great path either.
I haven't made any claim by the way, just stated facts.

All countries have abandoned the AZ vaccine due to the serious adverse reactions and deaths it has caused

Countries that have banned the AstraZeneca vaccine

Denmark was the first country to suspend COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, followed by Ireland, Thailand, the Netherlands, Norway, Iceland, Congo, and Bulgaria.

European countries, including Germany, France, Italy, and Spain have stopped the use of AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine.

Sweden, Latvia and Slovenia joined the league in banning the use of the vaccine.

Trying to whitewash the wrongdoings and support the official narratives? It doesn't work I am afraid.

And that's from 2021

www.cnbc.com...

More countries suspend AstraZeneca vaccinations over blood clot fears

Now completely suspended because of these 'rare' blood clots it was causing.

www.euractiv.com...

Denmark was the first country in Europe to suspend the use of the AstraZeneca jab in its vaccination rollout, after reports of rare but serious cases of blood clots among those that had received the vaccine.

More than a dozen countries followed suit but all but a few have since resumed the use after the European Medicines Agency (EMA) emphasised the benefits of the vaccine and deemed it “safe and effective”.

Most countries lifted the suspension. (Not ban)

Your own links show that the AstraZeneca vaccine to have a positive benefit to most age groups.

Other vaccines have became the recomended ones because they have a better benefit to risk. That is far removed from the claims you have made. (and they are claims, not sure how you think otherwise(

All of the countries have stopped using the Astrazeneca vaccine since then

Countries that have banned the AstraZeneca vaccine

Denmark was the first country to suspend COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, followed by Ireland, Thailand, the Netherlands, Norway, Iceland, Congo, and Bulgaria.

European countries, including Germany, France, Italy, and Spain have stopped the use of AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine.

Sweden, Latvia and Slovenia joined the league in banning the use of the vaccine.

Even the UK that created the vaccine is no longer producing it.

So to claim the AZ vaccine is still used it's just pure propaganda and vaccine apology.

originally posted by: Matrix13
a reply to: Kurokage

More of these 'rare' phenomenon

www.bbc.co.uk...

The husband of a BBC presenter who died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine says taking legal action is his only option.

Lisa Shaw, 44, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died in May 2021 a week after her first jab.

Gareth Eve said despite trying to "engage with the government, MPs and three prime ministers" no-one had "reached out" in return

Do you think posting individual cases means something isn't rare?

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Matrix13
a reply to: Kurokage

More of these 'rare' phenomenon

www.bbc.co.uk...

The husband of a BBC presenter who died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine says taking legal action is his only option.

Lisa Shaw, 44, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died in May 2021 a week after her first jab.

Gareth Eve said despite trying to "engage with the government, MPs and three prime ministers" no-one had "reached out" in return

Do you think posting individual cases means something isn't rare?

It's definitely a 'rare' phenomenon repeated again and again all over the world. That's why these vaccines were conveniently taken out of the market.

Another of this rare phenomenon

Experts named by prosecutors said Thursday that an 18-year-old Italian student who died after getting the AstraZneca jab in a Genoa hospital last June died of a thrombosis caused by the vaccine.

www.ansa.it...

Trying to whitewash the wrongdoings and support failed and abandoned medical products isn't a wise tactic. It hasn't worked.

originally posted by: Matrix13

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Matrix13
a reply to: Kurokage

More of these 'rare' phenomenon

www.bbc.co.uk...

The husband of a BBC presenter who died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine says taking legal action is his only option.

Lisa Shaw, 44, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died in May 2021 a week after her first jab.

Gareth Eve said despite trying to "engage with the government, MPs and three prime ministers" no-one had "reached out" in return

Do you think posting individual cases means something isn't rare?

It's definitely a 'rare' phenomenon repeated again and again all over the world. That's why these vaccines were conveniently taken out of the market.

Another of this rare phenomenon

Experts named by prosecutors said Thursday that an 18-year-old Italian student who died after getting the AstraZneca jab in a Genoa hospital last June died of a thrombosis caused by the vaccine.

www.ansa.it...

Trying to whitewash the wrongdoings and support failed and abandoned medical products isn't a wise tactic. It hasn't worked.

How many people got the AstraZeneca vaccine?

You are posting individual cases.

Rare seens an accurate description.

They will just get a big Fine that the company pay.
all people invole'd should do jail time.
5 years min for Each one kill'd.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Gradcrop

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Gradcrop

Will they also be investigating the COVID-19 deniers and super-spreaders who refused to take actions against the disease and encouraged others to do likewise?

You seem to be a vaccine apologist who refuses to admit that these vaccines have caused a range of serious adverse reactions and deaths following vaccine mandates, lies and propaganda, by the mainstream media that pushed the government narratives.

Nobody will be investigating those who refused to get 'vaccinated' and refused to peddle the government narratives and dogma. They are on the right side of history and haven't committed any crimes.

I suppose that the court case will come down to a comparison between the numbers saved by the immunizations, and the numbers harmed by the immunizations.

Already reasonably sound estimates are out that give us a figure for how many lives were saved by the immunizations.

All they have to do is prove that there were more deaths caused by the immunizations and they automatically win the case.

COVID vaccines saved 20 million lives in first year, study says

How many people have died as a result of a COVID-19 vaccine?

Just becouse you had the so call'd
vaccine does not mean you would
have not got it or had any reaction.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Kurokage
Is the article in the OP accrete?

Highly questionable.
The article was quoting what Alex Jones was doing.
That's enough to be on guard.

IF it's the same "Vigilant News" ... kinda sounds like it is ...

Media Bias Fact Check - Vigilant News

Overall, we rate Vigilant News as far-right biased and questionable based on the promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, false claims, poor sourcing, and a lack of transparency.

MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

What , is your account hacked or so? This post makes no sense coming from you .

From a previous ATS poster (NorthOS, scrolling down):
ATS post

" The founder of your “fact check”

Dave Van Zandt is a center-left Academic and Blogger and Globalist who is a citizen of , and has been associated with the following entities as either a significant contributor, participant, promoter, or beneficiary, according to our OSINT research:

brands: CFR, MBFC, New School
hucksters.net
"

originally posted by: Scratchpost

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Gradcrop

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Gradcrop

Will they also be investigating the COVID-19 deniers and super-spreaders who refused to take actions against the disease and encouraged others to do likewise?

You seem to be a vaccine apologist who refuses to admit that these vaccines have caused a range of serious adverse reactions and deaths following vaccine mandates, lies and propaganda, by the mainstream media that pushed the government narratives.

Nobody will be investigating those who refused to get 'vaccinated' and refused to peddle the government narratives and dogma. They are on the right side of history and haven't committed any crimes.

I suppose that the court case will come down to a comparison between the numbers saved by the immunizations, and the numbers harmed by the immunizations.

Already reasonably sound estimates are out that give us a figure for how many lives were saved by the immunizations.

All they have to do is prove that there were more deaths caused by the immunizations and they automatically win the case.

COVID vaccines saved 20 million lives in first year, study says

How many people have died as a result of a COVID-19 vaccine?

Just becouse you had the so call'd
vaccine does not mean you would
have not got it or had any reaction.

People still get the flu after having had the latest flu jabs, too. That has been known for a long time.

The thing is, fewer of those immunized against flu, die of the complications of flu.

And there are serious adverse reactions to the flu jabs:

Flu Vaccine Safety Information

Here is a paper from 2015 on deaths from immunizations:

Deaths following vaccination: What does the evidence show?

The decision that healthcare providers and consumers need to make are reasonable evaluations of risks vs advantages of immunizations.

That has always been the case.

This article isn't even scraps from the table. It's aerogel dogfood with no sustenance you get to devour and call getting "Fed" a victory.

a reply to: Kurokage

Alot of the evidence that first came out was by people selling books and trying to get publicity.

People like Klaus Schwab...?

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Geneva, Switzerland, 7 January 2021– Authors Klaus Schwab and Thierry Malleret, whose book “The Great Reset” in 2020 became a global best-seller...

He explained the idea behind the Great Reset in an article accompanying the launch:

"The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world to create a healthier, more equitable, and more prosperous future."

There's a Great Reset podcast and even a 280-page book. But the plan is light on specific detail.

Prof Schwab does speak about a "wealth tax" and ending fossil fuel subsidies. But the scope is huge - covering technology, climate change, the future of work, international security and other themes - and it's difficult to see precisely what the Great Reset might mean in practice.

This lack of clarity, combined with the plan being launched by an influential organisation, provided fertile ground for conspiracy theories to grow.

originally posted by: Gradcrop

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Gradcrop

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Gradcrop

Will they also be investigating the COVID-19 deniers and super-spreaders who refused to take actions against the disease and encouraged others to do likewise?

You seem to be a vaccine apologist who refuses to admit that these vaccines have caused a range of serious adverse reactions and deaths following vaccine mandates, lies and propaganda, by the mainstream media that pushed the government narratives.

Nobody will be investigating those who refused to get 'vaccinated' and refused to peddle the government narratives and dogma. They are on the right side of history and haven't committed any crimes.

I suppose that the court case will come down to a comparison between the numbers saved by the immunizations, and the numbers harmed by the immunizations.

Already reasonably sound estimates are out that give us a figure for how many lives were saved by the immunizations.

All they have to do is prove that there were more deaths caused by the immunizations and they automatically win the case.

COVID vaccines saved 20 million lives in first year, study says

There is no evidence as to the number saved by immunization. That's an unsubstantiated claim with no merits other than propaganda and lies by those who promoted the vaccines including the pharmaceutical companies. But there is plenty of evidence people were harmed and died due to these products and that's why a number of vaccines have been withdrawn completely from the market and others have been made available only for the over 60s or 70s.

Absolutely correct. Everyone got Covid anyway and people who had the vax still were hospitalized and died. Exactly WHAT evidence that any lives were saved exists except the meanderings of government and medical "officials."?

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Gradcrop

Will they also be investigating the COVID-19 deniers and super-spreaders who refused to take actions against the disease and encouraged others to do likewise?

Denying of what ? A cold that has a 99% survival rate?! I refused to be 'afraid' of something that wasn't a threat, and I refused to be injected with an expermental 'vaccine' pushed under threats by people who do not care whether I live or die.

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: SteamyAmerican
a reply to: Kurokage

Don’t need to. Thanks though.

Memory of the incessant coercion campaign will serve me just fine for the rest of life.

Oh.

And dancing nurses too exhausted to perform their jobs.

And the memory of people coughing and trying to shout "I'm dying" from covid on wards.

Paid actors. I saw those videos, and saw proof many of these people were seen in multiple videos over the years.

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Gradcrop

Will they also be investigating the COVID-19 deniers and super-spreaders who refused to take actions against the disease and encouraged others to do likewise?

Denying of what ? A cold that has a 99% survival rate?!

A 99% survival rate means that one person out of every hundred dies.

However, the pooled case fatality ratio in 1st world countries was closer to 10%, which means a survival rate of 90%, prior to the immunizations. That meant ten out of every hundred people who had COVID-19, died.

Case fatality rate of COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis

I refused to be 'afraid' of something that wasn't a threat, and I refused to be injected with an expermental 'vaccine' pushed under threats by people who do not care whether I live or die.

Fair enough.

You want to avoid one 'threat' to your life that was at worst one in a million, by risking another that was one in ten.

But you are probably right. The people involved don't even know who you are.

I'm also pretty sure that no one but funeral companies make any coin out of you being dead. I'd recommend that you avoid it, you know, for the friends and family, at least.

originally posted by: Thefineblackharm

originally posted by: Gradcrop

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Gradcrop

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Gradcrop

Will they also be investigating the COVID-19 deniers and super-spreaders who refused to take actions against the disease and encouraged others to do likewise?

You seem to be a vaccine apologist who refuses to admit that these vaccines have caused a range of serious adverse reactions and deaths following vaccine mandates, lies and propaganda, by the mainstream media that pushed the government narratives.

Nobody will be investigating those who refused to get 'vaccinated' and refused to peddle the government narratives and dogma. They are on the right side of history and haven't committed any crimes.

I suppose that the court case will come down to a comparison between the numbers saved by the immunizations, and the numbers harmed by the immunizations.

Already reasonably sound estimates are out that give us a figure for how many lives were saved by the immunizations.

All they have to do is prove that there were more deaths caused by the immunizations and they automatically win the case.

COVID vaccines saved 20 million lives in first year, study says

There is no evidence as to the number saved by immunization. That's an unsubstantiated claim with no merits other than propaganda and lies by those who promoted the vaccines including the pharmaceutical companies. But there is plenty of evidence people were harmed and died due to these products and that's why a number of vaccines have been withdrawn completely from the market and others have been made available only for the over 60s or 70s.

Absolutely correct. Everyone got Covid anyway and people who had the vax still were hospitalized and died. Exactly WHAT evidence that any lives were saved exists except the meanderings of government and medical "officials."?

Hospitalization ratios and death ratios dropped markedly among those who were inoculated, despite the number of infections rising astronomically.

Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccines over a 9-Month Period in North Carolina

Long-term effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against infections, hospitalisations, and mortality in adults: findings from a rapid living systematic evidence synthesis and meta-analysis up to December, 2022

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Geneva, Switzerland, 7 January 2021– Authors Klaus Schwab and Thierry Malleret, whose book “The Great Reset” in 2020 became a global best-seller...

He explained the idea behind the Great Reset in an article accompanying the launch:

"The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world to create a healthier, more equitable, and more prosperous future."

There's a Great Reset podcast and even a 280-page book. But the plan is light on specific detail.

Prof Schwab does speak about a "wealth tax" and ending fossil fuel subsidies. But the scope is huge - covering technology, climate change, the future of work, international security and other themes - and it's difficult to see precisely what the Great Reset might mean in practice.

This lack of clarity, combined with the plan being launched by an influential organisation, provided fertile ground for conspiracy theories to grow.

Now the pandemic is all but over, where was the 'reset'?

And, in regard to this whole topic thread:

Fact Check: NO Evidence Ex-Italian Health Minister Roberto Speranza Is Under Investigation For Murder Over COVID Vaccines

... move to the hoax bin.