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Originally posted by phixion
when the conservatives were last in power, the country went into recession.
The conservatives are only good for the people with power, people with money, they will, (I say they will only because they did last time), privatise everything leaving out the working family.
The Labour party has increased unemployment dramatically and turned around the mess that the Conservatives created.
Yeah so what if we are fighting the war for the wrong reasons, it's happened and it's not going to stop
Gordon Brown has done wonders for Britain's economy and I applaud him on his success. He is one of the strongest figures we have ever had in his position.
your not going to have a perfect party. I can assure you that they are doing a lot better than if any of the other parties were in power.
Originally posted by UK Wizard
will Labour supporters look at their current policy ...... are you telling me that their policy is the same......?!?
Originally posted by phixion
I am not for Conservervative but nor am a true Labour supporter. I would vote labour because I feel they are the best of the bunch, not that they are amazing.
I also feel that it is a farse how all the conservative advertising is done on making Labour look back, it's just pointing out what Labour have messed up on, they don't seem to have any of their own policies.
Originally posted by phixion
Looks like Labour are trying to get Conservatives back at their own game. All these advertisements just seem to be cheap shots to me,
why don't they advertise what they're going to do if they get in power, not what the other party did last time.
Originally posted by UK Wizard
The 35million cuts aren't that true, its simply more spin for the public to eat, they are simply cheap shots as you said.
Because they believe 'bashing' the opposition will get them more votes, I'd be much happier if parties stuck to their policys rather than bashing each other with spin and propaganda.
violent crime risen no matter what the BBC liars say. gun crime has increased as has racially motivated crime.
Immigration the simple facts are Multi culturism just doesn't work it causes more problems that in solves for each time one culture slips up the other will take advantage and so forth.
Originally posted by xpert11
A general question whats wrong with privatisation ?
Sure it has its down sides like with the railways here in NZ one bunch of idoits after another has run the rail network. Without econmic regulation the railways wouldnt be working wonders if the government ran the rail network either.
Take a look at the american health system sure you pay for the seat you sit on but your not waiting for months on the urgent waiting list.
The big problem is that "consertives" expect people to pay for more while earning less and taxs go up.
I'd rather the UK looked to Europe for inspiration on any of this than the ghastly US system. How many are not catered for there and have to rely on 'charity', huh?
Originally posted by xpert11
I would rather take my chances with the free market rather then be on some "urgent" waiting list.
While Im glad that waiting lists have gone down in England here in NZ the current Labour government is a joke.
I reckon health insurance should cover the likes of cancer treatment and day surgerys for example and the likes of GP vists should be partial covered.
Also insurance companys have a nasty habbit of including large amounts of small print in there contracts with customers that can prove to be a rude shock if some one hasnt read the small print.
Originally posted by fritz
Let me tell you about Labour's jaundiced view oof things.
Council Tax - Fact 1: John (3 Jags) Prescott arranged the Council Tax Law so that he and his cronies - politicians, councillors and mayors [of all parties] don't have to pay their fair share of the tax, if they use their second or third homes for 'official' business.
Council Tax - Fact 2: Servicemen and women who are on operational tours throughout the world, have to pay full council tax because they live in this country for 6 months of each year. Before you shout, YES, they do get a reduced rate - but why should they pay for something they don't use?
Council Tax - Fact 3: Servicemen and women in Afghanistan and Iraq must pay full council tax - even though their tour of duty is not less than 1 calender year!
Council Tax - Fact 4: I currently live in a 3 bedroomed married quarter that is 'condemned' and is falling apart at the seams. It is awaiting demolition and it's current value is treble zero, buggar all, blank! Yet I have to pay £850 a year. Not fair is it?
NHS - Fact 1: Labour keeps saying it plows billions of pounds into the NHS. Really? Recently I was diagnosed with a large 'lump' on my right testicle. An appointment with a specialist was urgently requested. The waiting list I went on, was the waiting list for the 'official' waiting list. In the meantime, my 'lump' was getting bigger. After a year, I saw the specialist who said I needed an operation. Guess what? I went on another waiting list! In the meantime, my lump was getting bigger. Eventually, I had the operation and no, it was not cancer. But can you imagine what I was going through?
From initial doctor's appointment to recovery ward - 19 months. Not bad for a government who promised operations within 6 months!
NHS - Fact 2: In my spare time, I work as an ambulance Technician. As such, I have seen at first hand the results of Labour's billions. I don't know where they are going, but they certainly are not going to the 'frontline'!
Defence - Fact 1: Our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq are ill equipped. There are massive shortages of ammunition, spare parts, body armour and boots (all essential items, you'll agree!)
Defence - Fact 2: Bowman radios. Labour gave the go ahead for this radio. It arrived late, was overpriced, it does not work and the batteries have a tendancy to 'burst into flames' when hot.
Defence - Fact 3: Hoon the Loon has decided to 'shoot now - pay later' on Barclaycard. His decision not to stockpile vital items of equipment buy to purchase on a 'as and when' basis has surely come home to roost.
Defence - Fact 4: The 'new' aircraft carriers supposed to be operational by 2012, have no aircraft because Labour has opted for the JSF which is too heavy to operate from carriers!
Manafucturing - Fact 1: Since Labour came to power, more than 1M manufacturing jobs have been lost - the latest being Rover.
Manufacturing - Fact 2: Many small businesses have gone to the 'wall' because of Labour's small business taxes and the mountain of paperwork that goes with it.
Oh I just can't be bothered to go on and on.
Labour is all about spin, and most politicians get more out of us then we get from them.
Yeah so what if we are fighting the war for the wrong reasons, it's happened and it's not going to stop, why don't we now concentrate on keeping Britain's currently strong (thanks to Mr. Gordon Brown) economy. Gordon Brown has done wonders for Britain's economy and I applaud him on his success.
Originally posted by Abstrakt
Sminkeypinkey, you make some valid points, and they are many of the points I use to convince unhappy members to give me their credit card numbers.
But at the end of the day, what youre spouting out is pre-manifested bulls**t that I have to listen to all day from my diehard-labour boss. Quite frankly, most of it is hollow political spin and finger-pointing at the evil tories.