First Potential US Public Religious School Sued

a reply to: Threadbare

Its easy, base it on the average property tax in the school district.

a reply to: tovenar

In this particular case:

The vote came despite a warning from Oklahoma’s Republican attorney general that such a school would violate both state law and the Oklahoma Constitution.

a reply to: JAGStorm

The private route sounds great
I also thing the state's per-pupil funding should follow the student

a reply to: JAGStorm

In their blind greed for the almighty public dollar, these doorknobs are forgetting that inviting the government to regulate you is a recipe for disaster. It also makes this attempt, thankfully, unconstitutional.

The right to a religious school exists today, without any restrictions. Anyone can open one up, any parent can send their kids to one. But, publicly funding them means that from that point on, the government now decides where a school is built, what is taught, who can go there and so on. You take the money, you accept the oversight and all the laws and rules that come with it and that apply to everyone else equally.

And since the government cannot regulate or interfere with religion, it makes this whole thing unconstitutional.

So how many of these "families" filing lawsuits are fronts for the Teacher's Unions?

Hypothetical question...

Satanism is Christianity. Satan comes from the Bible and was outcast by God, who is Jesus, who will come back and defeat Satan once again in the end. All in the Bible.

If public funding for Christian schools goes through, can the Church of Satan, as a Christian denomination, also apply for public funding to open up a school?

What other non-Christian religions should we also publicly fund?

See! Everyone is loosing their minds. The left a little more but this is ridiculous.

a reply to: JAGStorm

My wife and I pay a good bit of money every week for our elementary aged son to go to a private Christian Academy. Having said that, public schools are absolute sh*t and even if there were public Christian schools, I would avoid them like the plague. The government has too much control over public education.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: JAGStorm

My wife and I pay a good bit of money every week for our elementary aged son to go to a private Christian Academy. Having said that, public schools are absolute sh*t and even if there were public Christian schools, I would avoid them like the plague. The government has too much control over public education.

I would not make a blanket statement that all public schools are crap. Some are bad, some are terrible, some are great, some are unbelievably great. It all depends on the area, the individual school and teachers.

One of the biggest problems I have is how property taxes covey to schools. It’s highway robbery!

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: JAGStorm

My wife and I pay a good bit of money every week for our elementary aged son to go to a private Christian Academy. Having said that, public schools are absolute sh*t and even if there were public Christian schools, I would avoid them like the plague. The government has too much control over public education.

I would not make a blanket statement that all public schools are crap. Some are bad, some are terrible, some are great, some are unbelievably great. It all depends on the area, the individual school and teachers.

One of the biggest problems I have is how property taxes covey to schools. It’s highway robbery!

My point is that the government has their hand in public education and regardless of how good the school is, they have to teach on certain criteria. That criteria is what I'm talking about being absolute sh*t. My older kids went to/are going to one of the best public schools around my area and they can't even write in cursive because it's not taught, I've had to teach them a lot of grammar, and common core sucks. My youngest son started learning cursive last year in the 1st grade and was reading and doing math at a 4th grade public school level. It's insane how much they learn there vs public school.

a reply to: tovenar

The whole thing is an argument for vouchers, where the “parents’ tax dollars follow the kid.” That way only the tax dollars from willing parents go to fund a religious-themed education. No one is compelled to support something they disagree with.

Parents don't have tax dollars. That's not how it works. Public education is funded by state property tax. Only property owners pay property tax, not leaseholders or renters. Sure, one could argue it's baked in, but that's not the point. The point is parents don't "have" tax dollars, that they paid into the system, that are allocated to their kids.

Every property owner pays property tax, therefore, pays for public schools. Property owners pay for public schools regardless, of whether or not they have kids or if their kids go/went to private school. Even if their kids graduated public high school decades ago, they are still paying for public education today.

Anyway, that money isn't for YOUR special kid only. (I'm using the royal "YOUR") That money goes to the creation and maintenance classrooms, cafeterias, playgrounds, gyms, football, baseball and basketball fields, labs, libraries, teachers', maintenance and administrator salaries.

These things belong to the community that paid for and maintained it. "YOUR" precious 5-year has the right to access all this wonderful stuff for free, that the local community committed to and maintained with everybody's money, without concern of being denied due to skin color, religion, disability or if their parents are gay.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tovenar

The whole thing is an argument for vouchers, where the “parents’ tax dollars follow the kid.” That way only the tax dollars from willing parents go to fund a religious-themed education. No one is compelled to support something they disagree with.

Parents don't have tax dollars. That's not how it works. Public education is funded by state property tax. Only property owners pay property tax, not leaseholders or renters. Sure, one could argue it's baked in, but that's not the point. The point is parents don't "have" tax dollars, that they paid into the system, that are allocated to their kids.

Every property owner pays property tax, therefore, pays for public schools. Property owners pay for public schools regardless, of whether or not they have kids or if their kids go/went to private school. Even if their kids graduated public high school decades ago, they are still paying for public education today.

Anyway, that money isn't for YOUR special kid only. (I'm using the royal "YOUR") That money goes to the creation and maintenance classrooms, cafeterias, playgrounds, gyms, football, baseball and basketball fields, labs, libraries, teachers', maintenance and administrator salaries.

These things belong to the community that paid for and maintained it. "YOUR" precious 5-year has the right to access all this wonderful stuff for free, that the local community committed to and maintained with everybody's money, without concern of being denied due to skin color, religion, disability or if their parents are gay.

Right. So the proles pay into the system, and “YOU”/elites decide how they can access it.

Typical.

originally posted by: Mahogany
Hypothetical question...

Satanism is Christianity. Satan comes from the Bible and was outcast by God, who is Jesus, who will come back and defeat Satan once again in the end. All in the Bible.

If public funding for Christian schools goes through, can the Church of Satan, as a Christian denomination, also apply for public funding to open up a school?

What other non-Christian religions should we also publicly fund?

Which ever ones offend the most or most vocal?
Cause this one time, choice is bad, mkay!

a reply to: tovenar

Right. So the proles pay into the system, and “YOU”/elites decide how they can access it.

Wrong.
You're talking about people who don't want to access the public school system. You're talking about people who want to take from the system in place, paid for by generations of taxpayers, and build their own private system that doesn't have to let all of the others in.

You are talking about people who are too selfish to allow public fund to go to public education. You're talking about people who want to take those public funds to make private safe spaces, where only certain kinds of people are welcome.

So…uh…. How is this any different than online school from “home”(wherever Wi-Fi is available)?

Asking for a friend…..

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tovenar

Right. So the proles pay into the system, and “YOU”/elites decide how they can access it.

Wrong.
You're talking about people who don't want to access the public school system. You're talking about people who want to take from the system in place, paid for by generations of taxpayers, and build their own private system that doesn't have to let all of the others in.

You are talking about people who are too selfish to allow public fund to go to public education. You're talking about people who want to take those public funds to make private safe spaces, where only certain kinds of people are welcome.

How do you get that only certain people are welcome?

They would say THEY are the ones who aren’t welcome, getting put on FBI terrorist lists for speaking in the “public comments” period of a school board meeting, as if there was a right to free speech for poor people.

Safe spaces for everyone else. No safe spaces for non-progressives. When they try to make a safe spaces or themselves, it’s infringing on the rights of others.

But that’s ok, as long as the elite get to say who pays and who gets their special favors. As long as it isn’t the majority.

Something about your privilege is showing.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: tovenar

The Supremacy Clause disagrees with you.

Your ignorance is astounding.

originally posted by: Mahogany
a reply to: JAGStorm

In their blind greed for the almighty public dollar, these doorknobs are forgetting that inviting the government to regulate you is a recipe for disaster. It also makes this attempt, thankfully, unconstitutional.

The right to a religious school exists today, without any restrictions. Anyone can open one up, any parent can send their kids to one. But, publicly funding them means that from that point on, the government now decides where a school is built, what is taught, who can go there and so on. You take the money, you accept the oversight and all the laws and rules that come with it and that apply to everyone else equally.

And since the government cannot regulate or interfere with religion, it makes this whole thing unconstitutional.

Totally irrelevant and inapplicable to the idea of the funding going to the parents in the form of a tax credit/tax credits, which is what school choice is about.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tovenar
These things belong to the community that paid for and maintained it. "YOUR" precious 5-year has the right to access all this wonderful stuff for free, that the local community committed to and maintained with everybody's money, without concern of being denied due to skin color, religion, disability or if their parents are gay.

Yay socialism

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tovenar
You're talking about people who don't want to access the public school system.

Wrong - we're talking about people who don't want their kids exposed to and taught a bunch of grabage pushed by the public fool system.

You are talking about people who are too selfish to allow public fund to go to public education. You're talking about people who want to take those public funds to make private safe spaces, where only certain kinds of people are welcome.

Wrong - we're talking about people who don't want to be forced to pay for something that teaches things we not only don't want, support or believe in, but that are in fact diametrically opposed to everything we believe in..