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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Originally posted by JFrazier
The F-22 demonstrated a 120 degree Cobra a few months ago in an airshow.
It also demonstrated the "Kulbit", and if I may add both of these were done with a full internal weapons and fuel load.
Originally posted by BlackWidow23
Why was an F-22 carrying a full weapons load at an airshow
Originally posted by GT100FV
So are you saying that the test pilots and engineers misinterpreted their findings during the test flights studying the high AOA envelope capabilities for the F-22?
The F-22 is also capable of maintaining a constant angle of attack of over 60°.
The program has demonstrated outstanding flight characteristics at AOAs ranging from below –40 degrees to above 60 degrees.
High AOA envelope expansion testing began on 22 July 99 and cleared 1-g maneuvering beyond 60 degrees AOA by 8 September 1999
David C. Schilling Award
The most outstanding contributions in the field of Flight
Lt. Col. David M. Nelson, Edwards AFB, CA
Lt. Col. Nelson is recognized for his tireless efforts, as the first F-22 operational test pilot, to improve the F-22 Raptor. He led the F-22 Combined Test Force in high-risk test sorties, expanding the aircraft's flight envelope. Colonel Nelson completed several first ever F-22 events to include sustained flight at negative 60 degrees angle-of-attack and the launch of an Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile.
Originally posted by Phoebus
the US's Raptor, just aint good enough, and will most liky crash and burn due to the wing been a composite wing.
Originally posted by Darkvisor
You seem to be very pro-Raptor here. I disagree with your comparison. Please note that the Raptor is a modern, advanced fighter. The Flanker is not as modern or as advanced. The Flanker lacks the thrust vectoring capabilities that the Raptor displays at every opportunity. However, it can be noted that the Flanker does not need this capability. In terms of airframe, the Flanker has more in common with the Eagle or Tomcat and thus is incomparable to the Raptor.
Pugachev's Cobra is applicable in combat when one dogfights with another comparable airframe.
Assume the following: A Flanker and a Tomcat have no Air to Air capability left, save for cannon. They encounter each other and attempt to command the other through classic maneuvers. This goes on for some time. Suddenly, just as the Tomcat gets into a "kill" position, the Flanker says "PUGACHEV!!!"
The result: the Flanker gains the kill position and cooks Goose.
Who says that the Cobra has no combat use? This sort of situation has a very high chance of occurring and thus it must be assumed that of two craft of similar airframes, the one which can outmaneuver the other will emerge the victor.
However, having said that, let me say this: Another thread mentions the "Houdini" where the Raptor kills the Flanker... from 20nmi maintaining invisibility and using a nice AMRAAM.
In conclusion: While the Cobra is fast becoming obsolete, in a worst case scenario it may be the one thing that can keep you alive. DO NOT underestimate the combat applications of this fine maneuver, and DO NOT let yourself get caught in this sort of situation. The Raptor is by far the Flanker's superior but only due to its stealth technology.
Also, thrust vectoring is for pussies.
Originally posted by AlphaScythian
reply to post by Seekerof
So u are giving the examples of when not to use cobra in attempt to deny that its a manoeuvre that if used correctly would give advantage to flanker pilot? Its like me saying dont put an iron object into microwave or else ull brake it.
All of listed above can grant sukhoi pilots advantage in various scenarios, but if u avoid those scenarios u can win.
edit on 18-3-2013 by AlphaScythian because: errors