"We Will Judge Angels"

"Do you not know that we will judge angels?"-1 Corinthians 6:3.

In a recent thread, what God's kingdom government is was briefly discussed. The first century Christian congregation went from waiting for God's kingdom to come, followers of Christ who were no part of this world involving themselves in its affairs, in its politics and wars, to an apostate form of Christianity by the third century, where not only an unscriptural clergy and laity class distinction had taken place, but now the universal, or Catholic religion had become the State religion, melding pagan philosophy with a watered down doctrine of truth from the Bible.

Sadly, members of mainstream "Christianity" stopped believing in the heavenly kingdom of God, and started to follow human leaders and governments. In fact in recent times several Popes have lauded the United Nations as man's best hope for peace. Turning their backs on the true master and Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ.

The inspired record of truth found in the Bible canon shows that a small group of anointed Christians, bought from the earth are to go to heaven to rule as kings over the earth. This teaching was distorted by Christendom, and everyone was taught they were to go to heaven. But no where does the Bible teach such a thing. In fact no where in the Hebrew Aramaic scriptures is the teaching of heavenly life for humans mentioned. While many prophecies foretell a coming future wherein righteous humankind will live on earth forever:

"But the meek will possess the earth,
And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.".
-Psalms 37:11.

"The righteous will possess the earth,
And they will live forever on it."
-Psalms 37:29.

The "sacred secret" of heavenly life for a small group of humans was not revealed until Jesus Christ came to earth. And it was taught to the anointed Christian congregation:

"Now to Him who can make you firm according to the good news I declare and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the sacred secret that has been kept in silence for long-lasting times."-Romans 16:25.

"By making known to us the sacred secret of his will. It is according to his good pleasure that he himself purposed  for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times, to gather all things together in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth. Yes, in him with whom we are in union and were assigned as heirs, having been foreordained according to the purpose of the one who accomplishes all things as he decides according to his will,  so that we who have been first to hope in the Christ should serve for the praise of his glory.".-Ephesians 1:9-12.

Before Jesus died, no human had ever ascended* into heaven, and after he was raised from the dead no human ascended to heaven accept for Jesus Christ in his resurrected spirit body:

"Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man.".-John 3:13.

Jesus Christ himself is the one quoted here. He was talking to Nicodemus, a Pharisee, and a member of the Jewish high court, the Sanhedrin. Now Jesus revealed to Nicodemus heavenly things pertaining to the resurrection to heavenly life.

Jesus said it was impossible to enter into the kingdom in heaven if one was not born again, or born from above. Christendom has twisted this to mean that in order to gain salvation you must be born again. But that is not what Jesus was stating at all. To illustrate: Let's say you packed up all your belongings and told your family you were going to move to the White House to live with the first family. When you get to the gates of the White House the Secret Service agents stop you and ask what you are doing and you say, "I am moving into the White House." Well they will say you are crazy. That you have to be a member of the first family in order to live in the White House. The Secret Service is not telling you to become a member of the first family, they are telling you it is impossible to move in unless you are a member of the first family.

So it is with going to heaven. In order to go to heaven one must be born again, or born from above. This spirit anointing adopts the one called as a son of God. With the spirit adoption as a son of God comes certain privileges others will never receive. And one of these is heavenly spirit life with Jesus Christ. For what purpose? To reign in heaven with Christ as kings and priests over the earth.

This is where another misconception of God's kingdom comes into play from the major religions of Christendom. As they have disowned Jesus Christ, our Master and Savior, and have involved themselves with the politics and wars of the world, they are not looking to Jesus' heavenly government to come and establish its rule over the earth. They are too involved in the wars and politics of the earth to gives Jesus' kingdom any attention. Yet God's word calls those who claim to serve the God of the Bible who mix with the world spiritual adulterers:

"Adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is making himself an enemy of God. ".-James 4:4.

Who are called and chosen? A relatively few among all the people who have ever lived. Revelation gives an exact number of 144,000. (For an in depth understanding see this thread.) These started to be called on Pentecost of 33 C. E., that is 50 days after Jesus died. Jesus died on Nisan 14, 33 C. E. On the 50th day after the Passover (Nisan 14 was the Passover) Pentecost, or the 50th day was celebrated. At that time the glorified Jesus Christ in heaven poured out holy spirit upon a group of 300 Christians in an upper locked room and anointed them with holy spirit. These were the first of the anointed Christian congregation. It appears that all throughout the dark ages in the Catholic Church there were true Christians who read the Bible and understood the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church were false. And there were reformations that were formed to try and correct things. But they did not. Until the mid to late 19th century a group of Christians began to diligently study the Bible, and something wonderful happened. These people were spirit-adopted by Jehovah God. And they began to preach and teach the good news of God's kingdom and return the Christian congregation to its proper place, infused with God's backing and his powerful holy spirit.

They realized that God's kingdom was heavenly, and that its return was imminent. So they separated themselves from the politics and wars of this world and began preaching the return of Jesus, and the establishment of his kingdom over the earth as the only solution to mankind's problems. These were genuine Christian wheat that God was separating from the false weeds of apostate Christianity. During a period of time in the early years of the 20th century Jesus Christ appeared in the temple sanctuary in heaven and thus was fulfilled this prophecy:

"And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.".-Malachi 3:1.

This happened in the years 1918/1919. Jesus Christ appeared in the temple sanctuary and he judged the religions of the earth. And he found only one true Christian congregation preaching the imminent return of Christ and his kingdom government that would establish a reign of peace over all the earth to the blessing of all humankind. The rest of the religions of Christendom were busy bloodying their hands in the First World War of human history.

Then was fulfilled the following prophecy:

"“But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen. And he will sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver and will cleanse the sons of Leʹvi; and he will clarify them like gold and like silver, and they will certainly become to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness. ".

The religions of Christendom were judged as wicked and were condemned. But God's anointed Christian congregation was glorified. It was refined, false pagan doctrines, celebrations, and observances were removed from the Christian congregation and a restoration of pure worship was attained by the good grace of God. Jesus was now active.

This anointed group of Christians began a worldwide preaching campaign that would encompass the entire surface of the globe in accordance of Jesus' prophecy concerning the last days:

"And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.".-Matthew 24:14.

And in fulfillment of the illustration of the wheat and the weeds, God began the in-gathering of his anointed Christian congregation. He freed them from bondage to false religion, especially Christendom, and gathered them together to worship him as a unified congregation.

Along with the anointed Christian congregation, members of the "other sheep," Christians with an earthly hope have been gathered. All who died before Jesus Christ came to earth will be resurrected to life on earth. Including all the faithful men and women of old.

I will share something with you here. In Hebrews it gives you a long list of faithful men and women who had faith in Jehovah and his promises, in the coming Messiah, the offspring of Genesis 3:15. Well none of them saw the fulfillment of the promise. And we are told that none of them will, and none of them will be made perfect apart from us, that is the anointed Christian congregation. After listing many of the faithful men and women of old in Hebrews 11 at the end we are told:

"And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise, because God had foreseen something better for us, so that they might not be made perfect apart from us."-Hebrews 11:39-40.

They are all awaiting the future resurrection to paradise on earth. They will not be made perfect apart from us, that is the glorified Christian congregation in heaven.

This is a sacred secret. It is powerful. It is truth.

Even the spirit-anointed sons of God were going to fall asleep in death and would remain sleeping in the grave until Jesus Christ returned, and then, and only then, would they be called, all together to spirit life with Jesus at his return:

"Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death, so that you may not sorrow as the rest do who have no hope. For if we have faith that Jesus died and rose again, so too God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in death through Jesus. For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. So keep comforting one another with these words.".

Yes, at Jesus' return those called and chosen and faithful who died faithfully will be called first, and then those of us alive at that time, who have been chosen and anointed with holy spirit, will together with them be caught away to heaven. We will be given spirit bodies with perfection of life and immortality:

"Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will take place: “Death is swallowed up forever.” 55 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?” ".-1 Corinthians 15:51-55.

Yes, at the last trumpet, Jesus will call his anointed Christian congregation to heaven. And this mortal, physical earthly body will be put away, and we will put on spirit bodies in the image of Jehovah God, and Jesus Christ, superior to that even of angels, given the gift of immortality, the greatest gift ever given from Jehovah God.

Then Jesus Christ will sally forth with his holy angels, and with the chosen and called to wage the battle of Armageddon against wicked human society and against Satan and his demons:

"These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.”".-Revelation 17:14.

This is another sacred secret. Jesus promises his called and chosen, his adopted brothers, the sons of God, Jesus promises to give those who endure faithful till the end to give them crowns of glory and a kingship with him in heaven, and iron scepters with which to shepherd the nations:

"And to the one who conquers and observes my deeds down to the end, I will give authority over the nations, and he will shepherd the people with an iron rod so that they will be broken to pieces like clay vessels, just as I have received from my Father. ".-Revelation 2:26-27.

Just as Jehovah God promised the ends of the earth to his beloved, and only-begotten son Jesus Christ, so Jesus promises his spirit-adopted brother, the 144,000, iron rods with which to shepherd the nations. They will be with him during Armageddon to destroy wicked humanity. And they will be involved with punishing the wicked angels and Satan when they are thrown into the abyss for the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ over the earth:

" And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 He seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years. 3 And he hurled him into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not mislead the nations anymore until the 1,000 years were ended. After this he must be released for a little while.".-Revelation 20:1-3.

Yes, those among humankind that were abused by this world, who were murdered and looked down upon. Those whom Satan and his demons harassed and abused, will now be subject to them. And we will have power over Satan and his demons. And we will judge them:

"Do you not know that we will judge angels?"-1 Corinthians 6:3.

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a reply to: randomuser

The Catholic Church / King Priests Of Rome have killed more Christians than any other organization on the face of the Earth.

a reply to: infolurker
And the King priests of Rome were the ones who decided then compiled the current bible. The same bible our friend Randomuser often quotes lol

all people and angels will be judged.

I envision a tribunal or panel. Jesus will be Chief Judge, with at least one representative of the angel community, and at least one human.

I think that would be fair.

originally posted by: ElGoobero
all people and angels will be judged.

I envision a tribunal or panel. Jesus will be Chief Judge, with at least one representative of the angel community, and at least one human.

I think that would be fair.

I think most people in particular religious people need to understand the real interpretation of angel! Firstly there is nothing spiritual or ethereal about the word “Angel”. In the original Greek “aggelos” more usually transliterated as “Angelos” latin “Angelus” meant no more than “messenger”

a reply to: redchad

I think most people in particular religious people need to understand the real interpretation of angel! Firstly there is nothing spiritual or ethereal about the word “Angel”. In the original Greek “aggelos” more usually transliterated as “Angelos” latin “Angelus” meant no more than “messenger”

ἄγγελος
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Cognate with Mycenaean Greek 𐀀𐀐𐀫 (a-ke-ro), but origin uncertain. Probably a loanword, and probably related to ἄγγαρος (ángaros, “Persian mounted courier”) (whence Latin angarius), which is probably from an Asian language. Klein suggests Semitic, cf. 𐡀𐡍‬𐡂𐡓𐡕‬𐡀‎ (’engirtā, “missive, letter; contract”) and ܐܓܪܬܐ‎ (ˀeggarṯā, “letter, document”) (from Akkadian, see etymology there); but it could also be from Pre-Greek. Compare also Sanskrit अजिर (ajira, “agile, swift”), Sanskrit अञ्जि (añji, “commander, sender”) and Sanskrit अञ्जस् (añjas, “speed, velocity, ointment”).

The religious sense is a semantic loan from Biblical Hebrew מַלְאָךְ‎ (malʾāḵ).

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ἄγγελος • (ángelos) m (genitive ᾰ̓γγέλου); second declension (Epic, Attic, Ionic, Doric, Koine)

a messenger

originally posted by: redchad
a reply to: infolurker
And the King priests of Rome were the ones who decided then compiled the current bible. The same bible our friend Randomuser often quotes lol

The Christian Greek Scriptures were already considered canon centuries before the apostate Church took hold. In fact the books that were inspired by God were confirmed by his spirit while the apostles were yet alive.

For example, that Paul's writings were part of the holy canon and Scripture the apostle Peter attests to:

"Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him,  speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."-2 Peter 3:15-16.

Here the apostle Peter clearly shows that Paul's writings were not his own wisdom, but written from the wisdom given to him from God, and then includes it with the rest of the Scriptures.

Also while the apostles were alive some disciples had gifts of discernment of Scripture:

"But the manifestation of the spirit is given to each one for a beneficial purpose. For to one is given speech of wisdom through the spirit...to another discernment of inspired expressions."-1 Corinthians 12:7, 8, 10.

At the end of the first century, and with John's penning of Revelation and his 3 letters the Bible canon was closed. The testimony of later, noninspired writers is valuable only as an acknowledgment of the Bible canon, which God’s spirit had guided and authorized.

a reply to: randomuser

Ehrman turns to a discussion of the various ways in which biblical scholars have attempted to explain the uncomfortable presence of forgeries in the New Testament. The first attempt claims that when a letter was written in someone else's name, say Paul's, deceit was not the intent but rather the author either was trying not to promote himself or thought no one would read an important message from an otherwise unknown person. But Ehrman rightly (in my opinion) replies that, whatever reason the forger had in mind and however noble it may have appeared to him, it is still deceit. Moreover, the evidence suggests that the early Christians always rejected known forgeries. A second attempt to get around the scandal of forgeries in the New Testament has been to state that the Holy Spirit still inspired the book in question even if it is a forgery. I agree with Ehrman that this is a desperate move. For me, at least, if this is the extent one must go in order to preserve the canonicity of forged literature, it is perhaps better to question whether that piece of literature should remain in the canon.

a reply to: randomuser

Ehrman turns to a discussion of the various ways in which biblical scholars have attempted to explain the uncomfortable presence of forgeries in the New Testament. The first attempt claims that when a letter was written in someone else's name, say Paul's, deceit was not the intent but rather the author either was trying not to promote himself or thought no one would read an important message from an otherwise unknown person. But Ehrman rightly (in my opinion) replies that, whatever reason the forger had in mind and however noble it may have appeared to him, it is still deceit. Moreover, the evidence suggests that the early Christians always rejected known forgeries. A second attempt to get around the scandal of forgeries in the New Testament has been to state that the Holy Spirit still inspired the book in question even if it is a forgery. I agree with Ehrman that this is a desperate move. For me, at least, if this is the extent one must go in order to preserve the canonicity of forged literature, it is perhaps better to question whether that piece of literature should remain in the canon.

a reply to: redchad

As all of God's word is inspired by him it is all in agreement. Apcrophra is just that. It goes against holy scripture, contradicts it. In fact Holy Scripture clearly tells us that demons also inspire scripture, and then gives us understanding how to determine that it is demonic in origin:

"However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron. 3 They forbid marriage and command people to abstain from foods that God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth."-1 Timothy 4:1-5.

This clearly shows us that in later periods demonic teachings would be given by those who had fallen away from the truth. This is obviously referring to the Catholic Church, for example, a couple of these "inspired teachings of demons" include forbidding to marry - interestingly enough the previous chapter (3) states that a bishop (overseer) should be husband of one wife:

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife."- 1Timothy 3:2. KJV

Also the forbidding of partaking of certain foods, which the Catholic Church does on certain festival days of the year. These are not teachings found in the Bible, and the Bible clearly shows that after the Bible was written people who had fallen away from the truth would be inspired by demons to teach such things and practice them.

Also another scripture:

"However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed."-Galatians 1:8.

We can use this to determine that scriptures that followed, such as the Quran, the Book of Mormon, the teachings of Bahá'u'lláh, as they all contradict the good news found in Holy Canon are cursed (inspired by demons.)

ETA:

To confirm that the above said are actually antichrist and demonically inspired this scripture comes to mind:

"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either. But whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. As for you, what you have heard from the beginning must remain in you. If what you have heard from the beginning remains in you, you will also remain in union with the Son and in union with the Father. Furthermore, this is what he himself promised us—the life everlasting."-1 John 2:22-25.

ETA:

Also one other things comes to mind. All Scripture was written, penned, by descendants of Abraham through Jacob, in other words, fleshly Israelites. God has used NO non-fleshly Israelite to record his inspired word.

Can you spell out the point you are trying to make in a few sentences? What is your statement or argument?