We Need an Anti-Russian Warsaw Pact

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Absolutely not.. i know you adressed it to other member but that would be a catastrophe what would lead to full WW3 in full force.

a reply to: marg6043

Blinkered whataboutism?

Great response.

So, we should just admit the West has been bad in the past and give in?

Get with the present day and make your choices in the now.

Hand wringing and navel gazing ain't an option.

a reply to: dollukka

Fair enough.

Just as America was morally wrong on Iraq so is Russia morally wrong in terrorizing 44 million innocent citizens of Ukraine.

Sure, Putin may have a legit beef but this is not the way to solve it.

Also, he has no proof NATO or Ukraine is in the business of invading Russia.

But he has a legit beef, but as I said he won’t solve it doing what he’s doing

The US is not all good but did NOT go after Russia after WWII when it had the atomic bomb and Russia didn’t have it.

originally posted by: khnum
There already is an anti Russian block it is called NATO

didn't realize that most of those countries were in
which leads to the ?, why isn't NATO taking care of this?

a reply to: ElGoobero

Because Ukraine is not a NATO member?

a reply to: ElGoobero

I think nobody is going against Russia, they are a powerful nation, no denying that, also, well Russia is actually reclaiming what once used to be their territory for centuries.

Soo under what reasons will US or allies or NATO will be stopping Russia.?

I mean, I am no fan of Russia but who wants to start WWIII on a territory reclaim.

Then is the dirty clothes in the closet of the Democrats, anybody remember the scandal when Hilary was secretary of state? the 3 million dollar donation to her foundation from Russia to secure the Canada uranium deal.

Then now biden's son and family dirty clothes with Russia too, nope, nothing is going to happen.

a reply to: marg6043

Can you not put aside petty party politics that the rest of the West couldn't give two hoots about and get with the now?

Found the thread from a few years ago when this issue was debate in ATS,

Woo woo,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: marg6043

Well, I guess you can't put aside petty party politics during an international crisis.

Just leave it to the rest of us to sort this out whilst you obsess with navel gazing.

a reply to: marg6043

You are so wrong with territory issue. The areas USSR had was taken by violence. Do you honestly think for example Estonia old Hansa country or Finland to be part of Russia ?
Back to history, there is a area called Ingriad ( nowadays in Russia part of Petersburg and Leningrad) this is area what was given to swedish princess Ingerid as a gift from Yaroslav the Wise when she married him. Area was pretty much uninhabitet. Swedish King wanted that area to be as a buffer zone so he forced finnish ( Finland was part of Sweden ) people to inhabit the area. It was as a buffer zone for a long time with finnish speaking people . This was ok with Yaroslav as it was given as a gift.
Estonia had no history with Russia but Russia invaded it and forced it to be part of it. Russia sent its people to live in Estonia and Estonians were second class citizens in its own country.

Is your history knowledge somewhat blurred ?

a reply to: ElGoobero

Nonsense, we need an anti-war sentiment to sweep globally which is impervious to the influence of national identity ideologues.

The only people who want war are the tiny elite who are in line to gain even more power from the ashes of the poor.

I won't be taking any sides, war is nothing more than poor people being forced to fight each other to further consolidate power for the rich.

Don't play the game, let those who seed such atrocities fight their own battles.

a reply to: Grenade

Unfortunately, the Ukrainians don't have that choice.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Sure they do, just like everyone else.

Conscientious objection is available to all men, bravery can best be exhibited by resisting the temptation to fight, especially for a cause imposed upon us.

“War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today.” ― John F. Kennedy

a reply to: Grenade

Yeah, perhaps they should all put down their arms and be subjected to Putin's benevolent rule?

Perhaps you might suggest this to the people of Ukraine?

a reply to: dollukka

Russia and Ukraine issue is not ours, is a territorial issue, let the European nations deal with it, let them manage their own backyards.

a reply to: marg6043

Good.

Then we can forget about your irrelevant party politics and get on with the real world's problems?

We'll leave you to your meltdown and pick up the pieces once the grown ups have dealt with this international crisis.

I guess we can count you out of anything, man?

a reply to: marg6043

Who said it was yours ? You make a mistake by thinking NATO is a country which name is USA.

a reply to: ElGoobero

You mean that same alliance that ruined Libya with its Intervention and regime change?

a reply to: Grenade

Its the DC elitists that wanted this war. Why you think they hated Trump?