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Why isn't the War on Terror as Successful as the War on Drugs

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posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 03:07 AM
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Here is an interesting site

that you can see not only how much money has been spend on the

war on drugs but also how many people have been incarcerated and

arrested for drugs with a speicial clock for marijuana.


Oddly there is also a clock that shows HIV infections prevented to date

based on a need exchange program.


The US should make a Koran/Bible exchange program and then the

Administration could brag to the public on how many converts prevented

the development of another twisted minded terrorist from ensuing.


With the US spending more money on the War on Terror than the War on

Drugs...why isn't it more successful?




posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 03:34 AM
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Well.
Mostly people understand that drugs are not healthy, so it is easier to fight against. It is usually not worth dying for. Unless You are the investor i n a big shipment of coc aine ore something similar...

As to terrorism, much terrorism comes from fighting against a government. And since the government fights the fighters against opression, relatively speaking, it would be much harder. Since many people out there are individualists with an anarchaic being, there are alot of potential terrorists. Everyone hates big brother, right? -Except the republicans, of course...
Some of these anarchists are even nihilists. They are only destructive fundametalists (The REAL terrorists) Don't mix those two concepts. Important.

It is very natural to want freedom, thats why we hate rules! Rules makes a system. Systems make it harder to live freely!



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 03:37 AM
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So you are insinuating the War on Terror should target Anarchists?

Or are you just saying that the only realy Terrorist are Anarchists not

Freedom Fighters or 'the Resistance'?



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 04:15 AM
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Well why not throw some common sense into this whole thing... Drug lords are yes, powerful, but do not have entire bodies of peoples fighting for them, publicly. I mean, its easy for the feds to bust drug dealers, usually they just wave a bunch of Colt M45's in the place and everyone would put their hands up, but you're talking about going up against a bunch of crazy browns with AK-47's, who do not care if they live or die, and probably have dynomite strapped to their stomachs. However directly on the $ issue, the US has to go overseas to fight a war with tens of thousands of people, equipment, food, and machines, all of which cost boku bucks. # its like booking a 1 year Royal Carribean trip for every single US soldier(7 days is around $1400). Also, the war on drugs is more like a battle, because last time I checked it was fairly easy to get marijuana.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 04:33 AM
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How exactly did you come to the conclusion that the WAR on Drugs has been successful??? I certainly hope it's not just because the little numbers keep getting bigger!!


The War on Drugs is a Multi-Billion Dollar Flop that has, if anything, worked completely in reverse to why it was "allegedly" started to begin with. If you compare the Past to the Present in regard to Drugs within Society it is easy to see that the drug market has been a huge success!! Today we've got More of the Same Drugs, Improved versions of the Older Drugs & even some Brand New Drugs that never even existed before.

We've got Drug Commercials on TV selling everything from a Sniffling, Stuffy, Ache Head Fever to Herpes and Viagra to Prozac and Paxil. If you can't sleep we got a pill to knock you out and another to wake ya back up again. We've got 17 million different kinds of Beer and Booze and just as many forms of other "Legal" tobbacco's and Herbal smokes to go with the drinking. We've got caffeine at every possible location and just in case you don't like sugar and soda we've got Starbucks Coffee or Herbal Suppliments. Getting the picture yet???

It's like trying to teach a dog to do his business outside, walking right out onto the nice open lawn and then kickin' his butt for for liftin' his leg.


Cartels are no different than any other business aside from a few technical details. That being said, what exactly is Government in comparison?? Even with Drug Dealers and Shady Salesmen you are atleast choosing to buy their product of your own accord. If you get ripped off you are just left with nothing. Government on the other hand, takes your money whether you want to give it or not and if you don't have any then they make in-debt to them with interest and penalties. Worst of all though, is that not only are you now in debt for recieving nothing that you never asked for, but the money they take to fight the Alleged Wars on "Whatever", only serve to increase the amount of "Whatever" anyway!!



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by The Nacum
Well why not throw some common sense into this whole thing...


Yes..let's...


Originally posted by The Nacum
Drug lords are yes, powerful, but do not have entire bodies of peoples fighting for them, publicly.


Yes they do have entire bodies of people fighting for them. MS-13 has 20,000 members, the Columbian cartels boast about half that on average, it used to be a lot more. The cobras have easily 7500 enforcers. Hells Angels membership is..astounding. The Afghan drug lords had thousands of men working for them. The commercial meth labs here in the state average, I would say, 4 soldiers a piece. The Kings have more than 10,000. I could go on, but I hope you get the point. Drug lords need soldiers, and they have them, in spades.


Originally posted by The Nacum
I mean, its easy for the feds to bust drug dealers, usually they just wave a bunch of Colt M45's in the place and everyone would put their hands up


This is an incredibly naive statement. More Federal Law Enforcement Officials die every year in drug interdictions than any other way. Every bust has a million things that could go wrong, every entry is essentially a role of the dice. Booby traps, hot shot loads in mossbergs, explosions, syringes, you name it, it happens. Serving drug warrants is no simple matter, and many men lose their lives every year in the process.


Originally posted by The Nacum
but you're talking about going up against a bunch of crazy browns with AK-47's, who do not care if they live or die, and probably have dynomite strapped to their stomachs.


What do you mean by 'crazy browns' exactly? Is this a racial slur? I notice you stereotyped them nicely by saying they all probably have dynamite strapped to their chests, and don't care if they live or die. Many are suicidal, true, but many others can be reasoned with and even turned. So I ask you, do you know what the hell you're talking about, or is this just more racist trash you learned from the television? How old are you? Have you lived side by side in harmony with people of different races? You should try it sometime.


Originally posted by The Nacum
However directly on the $ issue, the US has to go overseas to fight a war with tens of thousands of people, equipment, food, and machines, all of which cost boku bucks.


Nobody had to do anything, we could have shored up the borders and actually done something to protect this country instead of starting a war, inciting more violence, and doing little to stem the real problem, which is militaristic fundamentalist resistance groups. Iraq has messed with us NEVER. Learn some history.


Originally posted by The Nacum
Also, the war on drugs is more like a battle, because last time I checked it was fairly easy to get marijuana.


The war on drugs is a collossal failure. It's a way to criminalize minorities, reduce grass roots capital, starve the third world into accepting our loans and military bases, and generally make a mess of the world so the top 10% in this country can prosper. The war on drugs can never be won, because people have been doing drugs since man walked upright, and they're never going to stop. It's a perpetual war, which is exactly what the defense industry and the energy industry needs to maintain profits of 30% and international contracts.

It's a farce, and shame on you for falling for it.

00ps
I thought you knew better. The war on drugs, successful? Hardly. It's locked up countless men and women for doing nothing more than lighting an herb on fire. It's murdered mothers and fathers, children, spouses...

It's a tragedy. Not a success.

The war on terrorism will be a perpetual war as well, because people will never stop being afraid as long as their officials are pulling the strings. We're made to be afraid.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 05:05 AM
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Originally posted by 00PS
So you are insinuating the War on Terror should target Anarchists?

Or are you just saying that the only realy Terrorist are Anarchists not

Freedom Fighters or 'the Resistance'?


I am not insinuating anything.
It is a fact that terrorists is a collection of nihilists, which is a fundamentalist form of anarchism.
If they are an individual terrorist or a group, that is based on their case/belief/goal.

An enemy of the State is automatically regarded as an anarchist, or if you like, an activist. All anarchists should *not* be categorized as a nihilist, or a fundamentalist, if you prefer to call them that.

I am a moderate anarchist. I don't like my government, but I still pay my taxes and keep my job because of neccessity. As long as the system works FOR me, I use it. When it fights Against me or ignore me, I fight it.
I am not a fundamentalist. That would be hypocritic, I still need to rely on the work of others to feed me and make clothes to me.

Watch the movie The Anarchist Cookbook. You will see some aspects of reality regarding personal stands.


[edit on 29-3-2005 by Ulvetann]



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 05:12 AM
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That movie was propaganda of the worst kind. It's preparing people for the inevitable crackdown on anarchists in America.

How would you react if your neighbor was dragged from his house and clubbed nearly to death on the front lawn? If his kids were taken away in squad cars, his wife left weeping on the grass?

You'd be mad as hell if he was a 'normal' guy.

But if he's labeled anarchist, all of a sudden it's acceptable behavior. The terrible thing is, he doesn't even have to be one. They just have to say he was, and nobody will give a #.

It's gearing up, and when the timer runs out, there will be a round up, a persecution likened in the eyes of history to the holocaust.

Don't say nobody warned you.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 06:12 AM
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the war on drugs was sucessfull? that is just to funny
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I know a police station where only a block away the streets are infested with drug dealers selling anything you can think of.

I have toyed with the idea of getting a cam and turning it on and filming as
I leave the police station and show all them drug dealers rite around the corner doing business as usual.

the only reason I havent really done so is I felt it would be like pointing out the obvious.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by mOjOm
How exactly did you come to the conclusion that the WAR on Drugs has been successful???


Exactly!

The war on drugs has been a failure. It hasn't done much to stem the availability of heroin and coc aine (at least in my area...), which imo are really the worst of the bunch.

the main issue with the war on drugs is so much money has been spent on substances such as marijuana, instead of focusing on the substances that *REALLY* ruin lives.

Well, you know... now that I've laid it out like this the war on terrorism and the war on drugs are pretty similar. Both are going after the easiest and least dangerous targets...






posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 08:51 AM
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the war on drugs is another government sending spree and we are left paying for it .look at the ever growing Meth labs they are so small and moble their is no way to keep track of the let alone shut them down.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 08:54 AM
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I'm glad you guys jumped all over the false statement that the war on drugs has been successful.
What a joke!!!!

"The war on drugs is a war on people."



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
That movie was propaganda of the worst kind. It's preparing people for the inevitable crackdown on anarchists in America.

How would you react if your neighbor was dragged from his house and clubbed nearly to death on the front lawn? If his kids were taken away in squad cars, his wife left weeping on the grass?




its this kind of blind ness that lets this happen in the US .If you are thought to be a drug dealer the police seem to have the right to do this kind of things all in the name of War on drugs. and yes they can take all of your personle property,cash,cars,house,and kids.even if you are not charged with any thing.







Edited quote.


[edit on 3-29-2005 by ProudAmerican]



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 09:12 AM
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lol war on drugs is something politicians like to say, in reality its the individuals who choose to do drugs or not, same thing for terrorists they have to choose between terrorizing or not terrorizing or it will be their downfall.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by The Nacum
, but you're talking about going up against a bunch of crazy browns with AK-47's, who do not care if they live or die, and probably have dynomite strapped to their stomachs.

Where are the bastard moderators that let this slide? had this been a remark against the "Jews", he would have had two warnings by his name. Furthermore, what makes South Americans(Brazilians, Panamanians and etc.) any less brown than Arabs? There is no war on drugs. If there was a war on drugs it would be over in a week or two.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 10:15 AM
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The terrorism and drugs are tied together very much, terrorists are mainly financed by drugsale. Stopping drigs from entering other countries will actually hold back terrorism in time.

Therefore, the war on drugs is actually the war on terrorism, too.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Vertu
The terrorism and drugs are tied together very much, terrorists are mainly financed by drugsale. Stopping drigs from entering other countries will actually hold back terrorism in time.

Therefore, the war on drugs is actually the war on terrorism, too.


Do drugs help finance America's illegal activities too?



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Vertu
The terrorism and drugs are tied together very much, terrorists are mainly financed by drugsale. Stopping drigs from entering other countries will actually hold back terrorism in time.

Therefore, the war on drugs is actually the war on terrorism, too.

I agree.

Like in Afganistani-Russian war, when CIA had an established route from Karachi port to Kabul - to smuggle weapons to Afganistan "Freedom Fighter". Later after the war, that same route was used to smuggle opium from Afganistan to Europe. Who helped them? Ofcourse the CIA.

Lets not even go into the South American Campaign.

So, if you ask me if War on Terrorism and War on Drugs is conencted? Hell, yes!

Ask CIA! They know alot about BOTH of these topics!


PS: Hey OOPS, great find of that link with the CLOCK!


[edit on 29/3/05 by Souljah]



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by 00PS
Do drugs help finance America's illegal activities too?


That is not a major issue compared to terrorism. As the war against drugs gets better, all illegal activities including terrorism will be less effective.

Generally the consumers commit crime to keep up with the price of drugs. It is the real problem in advanced countries.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 11:53 AM
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There has not been a terrorist attack on american soil since 9/11, so, although Osama is still on the loose, I would call that a success. The war on drugs on the other hand is a complete failure. The goal of the war on drugs is to eliminate drug use. I don't think that arrests are an indication that we are winning the war on drugs. In fact, I'd say the opposite. If we are winning the war on drugs, then why are so many people being incarcerated for using them? Those large numbers of incarcerated people are a testament to the Failure of the war on drugs if anything!




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