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Why isn't the War on Terror as Successful as the War on Drugs

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posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 11:55 AM
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consumers commit more crimes to keep up with the price of drugs eh?


Is that like the war on terrorism? More U.S. crimes to keep up with the price of opium??

lOl




posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 11:57 AM
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The war on terror isn't as successful as the war on drugs?

Well, as to the number of arrests, the war on drugs has had a little head start on the war on terror.

As to it going worse, last week I was able to buy some pot, but since the war on terror began I haven't been blown up yet...



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by 00PS
So you are insinuating the War on Terror should target Anarchists?

Or are you just saying that the only realy Terrorist are Anarchists not

Freedom Fighters or 'the Resistance'?


Here we go again.....

How many threads do you create asking for opinions, then end up going along the same old line of who's the best, or who is the same, Freedom fighter or terrorist.

We have debated this till the death with you.

Why start a thread asking for opinions, when the answers never seem to suit your beliefs or reasoning?

We know from past debates that you back the terrorists against the coalition in Iraq, so anyone who goes against your way of thinking ends up being on the receiving end of questions as to why they DON'T agree with you.

(Suppose its a good points builder though)



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:00 PM
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I am confused...

Since when did we start considering the war on drugs a success?



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Bikereddie

Originally posted by 00PS
So you are insinuating the War on Terror should target Anarchists?

Or are you just saying that the only realy Terrorist are Anarchists not

Freedom Fighters or 'the Resistance'?


Here we go again.....

How many threads do you create asking for opinions, then end up going along the same old line of who's the best, or who is the same, Freedom fighter or terrorist.

We have debated this till the death with you.

Why start a thread asking for opinions, when the answers never seem to suit your beliefs or reasoning?

We know from past debates that you back the terrorists against the coalition in Iraq, so anyone who goes against your way of thinking ends up being on the receiving end of questions as to why they DON'T agree with you.

(Suppose its a good points builder though)


Thanks for giving me points

[edit on 29-3-2005 by 00PS]



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by 1wintermute1
I am confused...

Since when did we start considering the war on drugs a success?

Since when did We start considering that War on Terrorism a success?



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:08 PM
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Ya welcome for the points. don't give a damn really. Swear at me all you like. Use U2U if ya want. I had enough rubbish through that to last me a lifetime.

Maybe i hit a nerve eh? truth sometimes hurts.

Heres a thread that you may have missed, or maybe the comments were that intense that you couldn't reply. The people who posted to this know you from old. Check it out.

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This next thread will describe what i experianced via U2U.

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By the way, good quick editing on your last post. Save's getting a warning eh?

[edit on 03/12/04 by Bikereddie]

[edit on 03/12/04 by Bikereddie]



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:10 PM
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ATS has 2 problems revealed in this thread.

#1 What is posted by a users is believed to be their position on an issue by other members

#2 People like biker eddie should be ***Censored*** for adding nothing that is ***Censored*** needed in this posting

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I don't think the war on drugs is a success either, but that's not what the propaganda out there says. With things like a War on Drugs clock out there we can see this.

If the War on Drugs is propagated as a huge success, why isn't the WOT more of a success in the eyes of the Propaganda machine



P.S. Bikereddie, I don't like you posting your personal comments about what you think about me here....***Censored***



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by spike
There has not been a terrorist attack on american soil since 9/11, so, although Osama is still on the loose, I would call that a success. The war on drugs on the other hand is a complete failure. The goal of the war on drugs is to eliminate drug use. I don't think that arrests are an indication that we are winning the war on drugs. In fact, I'd say the opposite. If we are winning the war on drugs, then why are so many people being incarcerated for using them? Those large numbers of incarcerated people are a testament to the Failure of the war on drugs if anything!


This is clear. But this war is actually aiming those poor countries/nations who make those drugs, and there is a plan of destroying these communities of drug supply. That is right, war on drugs cannot be won on the streets. But native americans will rarely grow weed in their garden.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by 1wintermute1
I am confused...

Since when did we start considering the war on drugs a success?

Since when did We start considering that War on Terrorism a success?


Touché.

You are correrct, neither have been successful.

Why?

Because war is (or was) supposed to be a struggle between nations (or peoples), and not a struggle against ideals, or inanimate objects.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:14 PM
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Dont think i posted anything personal.




posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:18 PM
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Yeah well your attempts to hijack this forum with off topic posts about me just trying to get points and arguing guerilla warfare versus terrorism is stupid

If you were man enough you could debate with the rest of us...

thats all I'll comment, your next comment about this off topic discussion will be ignored



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by 00PS
Yeah well your attempts to hijack this forum with off topic posts about me just trying to get points and arguing guerilla warfare versus terrorism is stupid

If you were man enough you could debate with the rest of us...

thats all I'll comment, your next comment about this off topic discussion will be ignored



Fair play, im done here.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:22 PM
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The war on drugs is an abject failure. At no time since it began more than seventy years ago has the US government prevented the production, sale, or use, of more than 10% of drugs per year.
This was admitted by a head law enforcement official.

If you think the number of pot users arrested is a sign of "success" then I will have to assume you think that Stalin and Hitlers "war on jews" was also successful, even more so. Since they apparently murdered more than 10% of their Jewish populations.

In fact the war on drugs has taken an even greater turn toward failure with the wide spread abuse of prescription drugs and steroids.

Now ask yourself this, if each year you only did 10% of the work required of you, would you get a salary increase, would you keep your job? The truth is, incompetance of this proportion is only reward by a corrupt government such as ours.

How about if the garbage collectors in your community only collected 10% of the trash? What condition would the country be in?

How about if only 10% of people were allowed to vote? some country.
this is important because the 77,000 cannabis users in prison can't vote, many of the over 10 million arrested for Cannabis in this country in the past decade can't vote or own a firearm. There goes the whole point of being an american citizen.

Rush Limbaugh broke the law with his drug addiction to pharmaceuticals, did he serve time? no. Why?

Its important to remember that the powers given to the government in the Patriot Act were attempted to be gained by the people during Bush Sr., it was called the Drug War Emergency Act back then, but many opposed their plans of total control and constitution shredding.
Under the government sponsored 9/11 attack, they got everything they wanted for so long.
This fact escapes most people, because they have been asleep while our country is being raped, I have been wide awake, and I saw it for what it was, as it happened.

Supporting the war on drugs is supporting tyranny, it is cooperation with the enemies of freedom, and I have no mercy for people who do such.

Just stating "war on drugs" and "succsess" in the same sentence is like standing on top of the hill and screaming "I am the village idiot". Please take that literal approach next time, us pot heads need the target practice.

[edit on 29-3-2005 by Legalizer]



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:24 PM
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The war on drugs is successful? Where do you get your information?? About 10% of the drugs coming into this country get stopped...leaving 90% that make it to the streets. That's success??



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:24 PM
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woah, thanks for the input...

Why does the propaganda machine preach success and not more pepole think like you?



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:26 PM
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Here at ATS everyone thinks they are so informed and rightly so because we debate the issues of the day.

However there are many who suffer under the propaganda machine and believe the vested millions of dollars of the US Government against drugs is 1 worth it and 2 working


If this is the case, why isn't the War on Terrorism more successful in these terms?



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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terrorism has never won aniways, you look at all the terror groups that existed for decades they still havent achieve their goals. so pretty much war on terrorism is pretty much goin good.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:31 PM
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This is like compairing apples and oranges. There is no "War on Drugs". It is just business. If we were serious about about Drugs this whole thing would be over in a few months. It all comes down to MONEY!!! Want to get rid of drugs? Legalize them. Take the big money out of the equation. If someone wants to burn themself out on dope. Let them!! By legalizing drugs you decrease their value. You take away the incentive that dealers have to get people hooked. You take out all of the money in growing, processing and smuggling as well. Leagalize drugs and treat their users as people treat smokers now and in a few years there won't be a drug problem.
Now for the Catch 22. The major roadblock to legalizing drugs is MONEY!!!
The Drug Cartels have too much money to lose by legalization and believe it or not they actually make political contributions to politicians who are opposed to it. On the other side there is too much money to be made in fighting drugs. Both Lockheed and Northrop recieved government contracts
to provide aircraft and support for drug interdiction aircraft. When Clinton was making the so called "Peace Dividend" cutbacks in military spending, much of that money went right back to the military to fight drugs. A billion here and a billion there and pretty soon your'e talking real money.
If you don't believe this just look at how the states are handling the "tobacco settlement money". Last year several state Attorney Generals actually supported the tobacco industry against several other states so that the companies would not go bankrupt and shut off the flow of settlement money to their states. GO FIGURE!!



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:33 PM
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Let us all remember that George W. Bush Jr. Himself admitted that the war on terrorism is not a war that can ever be won

Yet how many ignorant Americans have stated they would accept less freedoms to fight this war?
You know what? Back in the 80's early 90's, these same idiots said the same exact thingt abou the war on drugs.

Each and every American who says he/she supports "less freedoms" should be strung up on lamp posts on the highways, to remind everyone, that America is not about "less freedom" and those who support "less freedom" are the true enemy.

[edit on 29-3-2005 by Legalizer]



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