So what does a bipartisan "secessionist" movement look like?

originally posted by: tridentblue
a reply to: DBCowboy

What I'm trying to do with this post is see if there is a way to achieve something LIKE a split country WITHIN the framework of the constitution, using states rights or something. I do this because I have to, the constitution is not up for vote so I MUST stand for it as a US citizen.

I may be totally out of line with this question but....wouldn’t it be a lot easier if we tried earnestly to get along, even though it meant both sides making some concessions?

I see the left wanting to dictate what half the country is supposed to accept as their new reality and we don’t want that. You’re not going to impose every last detail of your ideology on this country and that’s the way it’s being proposed, “my way or the highway”. Not going to happen peacefully.

Have you ever looked at how many red county’s there are in our country? You may want to rethink your desires.

a reply to: tridentblue

The thing about insurance is that you pay in against ever needing it.

You say, "Why pay for health insurance when you're young and healthy because you know you won't need it until you're old."

No one thinks that way about house insurance. No one thinks that way about renters' insurance. No one thinks that way about auto insurance. All those are policies people routinely carry without second thought.

It's only health insurance that people think this way about, and yet everyone uses health care no matter what age they are.

So your excuse doesn't wash.

Let's additionally look at energy policy.

You want to force people to do things that are enormously harmful to them. Those policies hurt the poorer among us the worst because they always wash down to dollars and cents in the end. California is the farthest down this path on green energy and environmental controls and look where they are.

They have not enough housing, so they have the most homeless. They are a net importer of electricity from other states, and even so they can't manage their own electricity demands and have rolling blackouts in power during the hottest times of the year at peak energy times. What do you think this will look like nationwide? Entire states will have devastated economies, and no one will have enough electricity. See ... just mandating a thing does not create it and make it so. California learned that the hard way.

But I guess when everyone lives in the 3rd world, no one can complain about it. And if you allow some of us to stay outside that net, then you can see how destructive all this is. And that's why everyone has to be forced into it.

a reply to: mtnshredder
The left simply will not allow it. They continue to try and pass statewide and countrywide laws to try and "solve" issues that only their large cities face. They keep trying to push through more and more gun laws, because dope dealers in the cities keep shooting at each other over street corners. The current gun laws aren't working, so pass some more! Maybe one day, we will get the magic bullet law that will solve it!

a reply to: mtnshredder

Have you ever looked at how many red county’s there are in our country? You may want to rethink your desires.

This is why the left plays with fire. They cannot control everything that is red.

a reply to: ketsuko

I wrote a post here. I asked about the left and right agreeing to part ways, and each pay for and dictate their own destinies, on this heavily conservative site. And NOT A SINGLE CONSERVATIVE WAS WILLING TO PART WAYS WITH LIBERAL LEADERSHIP. Not one. Every one of you countered me with a reason of why we should all get along, and stay together, we should fight states rights and continue on the path of federal power. That answers my question well enough, there is no interest in what I'm talking about. Carry on.

a reply to: tridentblue

I will go if the states leave, but I also understand the impulse of the left. If the right tries to go, the left will try to force us to stay and there will be blood. Every policy the left favors is coercive, so do you really think they'd just let us leave?


**EDIT**

Contrast that with the times when leftists taunt us with threats of states like California leaving. Most of us will step in a openly tell you to go. We'd be more than happy for you to take your ball and leave.

originally posted by: tridentblue
a reply to: ketsuko

I wrote a post here. I asked about the left and right agreeing to part ways, and each pay for and dictate their own destinies, on this heavily conservative site. And NOT A SINGLE CONSERVATIVE WAS WILLING TO PART WAYS WITH LIBERAL LEADERSHIP. Not one. Every one of you countered me with a reason of why we should all get along, and stay together, we should fight states rights and continue on the path of federal power. That answers my question well enough, there is no interest in what I'm talking about. Carry on.

You wrote a post that was anti-Constitutional and asked us to defy the Constitution that many of us has sworn an oath to protect and defend.

a reply to: olaru12
Good luck lol. Maybe buy a boat. Don't come to canada, it's getting crazy up here too

a reply to: tridentblue

Just leave.

Get out.

I'm so sick and tired of people trying to subvert the Constitution and force people to obey their dictatorial edicts.

Instead of forcing the rest of us to obey your edicts, go.

Just leave.

Find a country that suits your needs because you are not an American.

a reply to: DBCowboy

There are plenty of them as we keep getting told. Every other country on earth lefts better then the US does, so it seems that just about anywhere else would be a better home for the leftist.

Problem is, those lefty utopian countries out there, have real immigration laws. It's not all easy like the US is lol.

originally posted by: TKDRL
Problem is, those lefty utopian countries out there, have real immigration laws. It's not all easy like the US is lol.

At this point, we'd pay you to take them. I suspect a good portion of the immigrants we have foisted off on us are worth more.

a reply to: ketsuko
Applications would probably be laughed into the bin when they glance at the physical section. Can't be taking in any unhealthy people when you got goobermint healthcare.

a reply to: TKDRL

Now we constantly get told that we're the fat McGoobers living on our couches out here in flyover. Of course, I can hold a plank for 2min 30sec (found that out this morning at my belt test) and work out four 4 hours each week, but I also know I'm an unusual American.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: tridentblue

Just leave.

Get out.

I'm so sick and tired of people trying to subvert the Constitution and force people to obey their dictatorial edicts.

Instead of forcing the rest of us to obey your edicts, go.

Just leave.

Find a country that suits your needs because you are not an American.

I can’t agree with this more. If someone doesn’t like it here, then you’re welcome to leave. Simple solution.

I’m not sure the left has realized how red most of their blue states really are outside of their hive mentality bubble.

originally posted by: tridentblue
I'm fairly liberal, and I've been listening to conservatives go on and on about wanting to secede lately. Kind of frustrating, but the more I think about it, the more I like the idea. The bottom line for us is we liberals can't get ANYTHING done in a nation that's half conservatives. No liberal or leftist wants Obamacare for instance, we all want further left universal basic healthcare, but every solution that comes out of Congress is a watered down mess because of conservatives. Everything we want to do takes a stronger state you won't accept, and we will never accept your way of being.

So what if we just admitted that it is no solution and accepted with a handshake the fact that we need to part ways? How does that play out? What does it look like?

One interesting thing is that pot legalization took states rights, once a Republican issue, and made the left embrace it. Is there a way of massively delegating power to states, maybe with new legislative bodies for the union of all blue states and the other union of all red states? I'm looking for a way that technically keeps the US together? Or would it take the end of the US?

What do you think about a bipartisan movement to begin to create areas of government so parties can get things done without opposition?

You think the ultra wealthy technocrats are pushing socialism so they can give their money away to you?

The liberals pushed for pot legalization because pot makes people lazy and stupid. Two things they require to make you dependent on them.

Socialism leads to fascism. Every time.

You know why? Because the ruling class will never give away their wealth and power.

And they don’t even have to take away your guns using force, because you’ve been brainwashed into wanting to hand them over freely.

Good luck with that required Marxist revolution when you’re throwing rocks at the people with machine guns.

a reply to: rounda

You know why? Because the ruling class will never give away their wealth and power.

This and the society forms they're pushing for will help ensure that none of them will ever have to worry about challenges from new money either. Why do you think they're pushing the idea that meritocracy is white supremacy and to be despised while they steadily *lower* standards across the board in the name of "equity"?

Ask yourself, how is it going to help anyone get better if we're only asked to meet lower and lower standards and then consider the ones doing this to you and me and our young aren't doing this to their own. There will come a point when this will look like feudal society where only the nobility had tutors and only they learned little things like reading and writing. It wasn't that they were actually superior, but they were the only ones who actual tools like authentic education.

That's where we're slowly heading.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: rounda

You know why? Because the ruling class will never give away their wealth and power.

This and the society forms they're pushing for will help ensure that none of them will ever have to worry about challenges from new money either. Why do you think they're pushing the idea that meritocracy is white supremacy and to be despised while they steadily *lower* standards across the board in the name of "equity"?

Ask yourself, how is it going to help anyone get better if we're only asked to meet lower and lower standards and then consider the ones doing this to you and me and our young aren't doing this to their own. There will come a point when this will look like feudal society where only the nobility had tutors and only they learned little things like reading and writing. It wasn't that they were actually superior, but they were the only ones who actual tools like authentic education.

That's where we're slowly heading.

Yep. That’s what happens when everyone gets a participation trophy.

You know, for a group of people so intent on following science, they sure do like ignoring Darwinism.

Ain't nobody going no where we in this # together until the wheels fall off then we going to dig ruts with just the axle.

We see you licking your bat encrusted lips China.