So... The Thing About Faith

a reply to: ketsuko

That's some nice thinking.
Pray that God will forgive the devil...

... because

he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Ahem? What!? That's where I live! What have I done?

a reply to: Peeple

Ah, but the Devil doesn't want it.

That's the thing -- you can have it, if you genuinely seek it and repent. For the devil to have any hope of forgiveness, he would have to accept that his rebellion against God was wrong, and when he is still fighting it, how likely do you think that is?

a reply to: ketsuko

Was it wrong?
Do we know the full story?
Do we know what hides between the words God and/or Satan?

a reply to: Peeple

Now we circle back around to the question of faith.

a reply to: ketsuko

The absolut root of faith.
Is there something other than us matter people living with us here? What is it?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Raggedyman

No you have free will.
But there are forces out there that can make you "dreamwalk".
Betrayal is bad we agree on that one.
If you expect someone works with your guy, but it's actually the other guy....awkward
right?

No, I don’t understand
Jesus gave christians one responsibility, to love others
The responsibility, the onus is on the believer, no rules, no laws, love others

a reply to: Raggedyman

But honestly,
I could have never guessed from my conversations with you, this statement

no rules, no laws, love others

and you could be in any way connected.
So are there limitations on that?
Do I have to write an application for an appointment with that side of you?

a reply to: Peeple

How you understand me is not on me but on you
Believe as you wish, people see what they want to see

As for limitations, loving others offers limits, clearly
“Antonomianism” is what it’s called but often misunderstood

a reply to: Raggedyman

No, it is on you. If you want to express yourself, what you should be going for is giving the people as much as possible about how you are and where you are coming from.
The goal of a conversation should not be to make me shut up, or subject me to your opinion, but to express your statement.
If I understand you and can learn a little about your truth, that's a good statement.
You do that a lot, getting really angry with your Jesus obsession...

a reply to: Peeple

I agree with you, the devil delights in hurting our Heavely Father. I have seen many bright souls fall hard when life's challenges become overwhelming. The beauty of our Father's plan is that there is redemption for all of us, if we so choose to accept it.

a reply to: Peeple

I think you read anger in what I write, not much here causes me anger
Maybe I might be a little brief and blunt and it may come off as rude, but no, not anger

I am not here to preach, believe as you wish, freewill and all that

I read your opening post and it seemed to indicate only catholic priests/religious people abuse children when, the evidence does not indicate that

a reply to: Raggedyman

I agree, that's not what I meant.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Specimen88

He convicts us. He's the prosecutor, and he knows us nearly as well as God does. It is his job and power to lead us astray in the world.

He would win us all except we may be forgiven through salvation and forgiveness, redemption.

The principal just allows the pedophile to hang around the school yard doing his thing huh? That's stupid.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Specimen88

He convicts us. He's the prosecutor, and he knows us nearly as well as God does. It is his job and power to lead us astray in the world.

He would win us all except we may be forgiven through salvation and forgiveness, redemption.

The principal just allows the pedophile to hang around the school yard doing his thing huh? That's stupid.

So what should the “principle” do, what would you do?

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Peeple

Not sure I understand your point or where you are going
My point is/ was clear.
It’s not just an issue in the church as your op strongly suggested
I will also happily disagree with your opinion that people ar born good, quite the contrary seems the evidence

Above my pay grade, what?
If someone is above my pay grade that means nothing to me, at all, ever. I don’t judge a person by the money they make, ever

And me condemning people, that was your entire post, your entire argument, condemning God, the church, anything related, then blame me

And yes, I agree finally, the only thing that matters is intention, even if it all goes wrong, good intention is a priority

Saying the OP is "a little off" is an understatement, believe me...

The Horse with the wig isi IMHO a fowl mouthed, (you can see it in editing), "nit" seeking Troll who worships blood and wine stained Roman Gods, and any negative attention it can get to prop up it's black hole like ego at the expense of others.

Ahem? What!? That's where I live! What have I done?

So, you were also at the right hand of God in the beginning?

God actually Forgives all his children. He loves them too much to cast them to the winds of Oblivion.

But as Supernatural Beings, the Earth Born Angels cannot hide from the Truth of their deeds under free agency.

It is only they who cannot deal with the truth about themselves, even after his absolution of their sin, and willingly throw themselves to their fate in the maw of Oblivion.

Yes, the angels who were never "born" are Supernal Beings of bonded agency carrying out the will of The Creator.

Who is made of a balance of Light and Dark. Just like his Children born of Nature.....not Made by God directly as are the Supernals.

a reply to: Khurzon

Aren't you cute, you vindictive, illiterate bible zombie?
You missed the best part of my "religious" writing Jesus was a tool of Satan.
here have fun

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Khurzon

Aren't you cute, you vindictive, illiterate bible zombie?
You missed the best part of my "religious" writing Jesus was a tool of Satan.
here have fun

Well....I'll pass on that one, just because you said I was "cute"
And you got that wrong too.
Lucifer was a tool, thats true.... All the Supernals are...Such as Michael who was secretly envious of Lucifer.
and they were all in sort of a Fear/Awe of mankind. The whole "Birth" thing kept reminding them of their bonds which kept them focused on Earth for babysitting duties.
I never did read the bible much.......to many "Begat so n' so's"




"Here's to Blood in one eye and Creation in the other"

Dude! You gotta have a little sympathy for the Devil!!

Why....Besides all that Cross-Nailed Diieing Stuff...*burps*..ol' Lucy's got a pretty tough time of it...

*signals barkeep for another*

Sympathy for the devil



*polishes off another* I used to ..beuh..be *Loud Bealch*..really cute!

Heh. *points at Jagger* you gotta luh..luh Love cheerleaders.....*falls over*

a reply to: Khurzon

I get it, reading must be hard if you don't understand words...

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Khurzon

I get it, reading must be hard if you don't understand words...

yep....spezhhly neh...near a black hole....*winks*