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The English word vexation never means striving. Seeing that we have no original Hebrew, and that it is impossible to know what form of Hebrew they spoke (it is definitely not the same as today's Hebrew language), we are left with trusting scholars. Scholars are men and like Solomon searching out wisdom is what is the sore travail given to men to do at the time of Solomon up until the completion of the Holy Scriptures
Ec 1:14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
. As one studies in a way that uses dead languages, it becomes burdensome literally a vexation of spirit, leading to mental exhaustion, troubling of heart because we don't take it as it is written but seek to change it. (I did this for 40 hours a week plus for over 19 years in the pulpit ministry and believe me I would have liked to been doing something more productive than studying out languages that no one today uses. When I did I almost always changed the meaning of the words without ever giving it a thought of what it said where it said it in English.
Ec 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ChesterJohn
It remains true that I have ceased to have dealings with you, for the reasons already given.
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Specifically, you told people that I denied the Godhead, something you knew to be a falsehood for which you had no evidence.
If someone feels no commitment to truthfulness, their comments can have no value.
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
The Spirit of truth is a further witness. As he has previously mentioned, the Spirit is truth.
Together with the water and the blood, that makes a total of three witnesses to Christ.
These three witnesses are EIS TO EN- “to the one”. That is, they are directed towards one end, they are teaching the same truth. “They agree” in some translations (vv7-8). .
The version you were teaching from says this
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
So clearly if you teach from an incomplete verse. Then you deny the accuracy of the scriptures and therefore you have denied the godhead as it is seen in this verse. As a matter of fact you don't even address "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. in that particular teaching nor did I make my comment about your denial of the Godhead in that thread. But I will be very happy to post it in that thread if you like. So by default using a version that is incomplete or missing some of the words you by default deny the godhead in a very clear verse on it. This why I encourage you to use the KJV because it has all the words of God in it whether men agree to that or not, otherwise it can be misleading.
7 For there are three that testify: 8 the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Is the God head a Trinity as seen in the KJV 1611 version of 1 John 5:7?
Is the Holy Ghost a person?
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Disraeli has said he believes that the Godhead is a Trinity as found in 1 John 5:7 and that the Holy Ghost is a PERSON. I hereby revoke my opinion that Disreali denied the Trinity and the person of the Holy Ghost. Hereby all ye that are present are witnesses this day as to my revocation. I here by apologize for making the statements.