Plagiarism and the great flood

This is so sad.

You are to late.

Its nearly here.

The Bible and EVERY SINGLE RELIGOUS doctrine on Earth have a common beginning.....and that beginning is the One True Humanitarian History which was written after Noahs Flood.

Everything in our reality revolves around this Cyclical Global Cataclysm....everything....every Conspiracy Theory every Secret Society every Religon every Government White or Black legit or illegal.....

Good Luck.

To All.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Assassin82

It's all in what you choose to believe. As far as the stories in the Bible being rubbish, well, nobody can prove that.

Nobody can prove it’s not rubbish either. It’s a book of mystery and fairy tales based on half truths and corrupted interpretations of historical events.

originally posted by: Assassin82

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Assassin82

It's all in what you choose to believe. As far as the stories in the Bible being rubbish, well, nobody can prove that.

Nobody can prove it’s not rubbish either. It’s a book of mystery and fairy tales based on half truths and corrupted interpretations of historical events.

Yes you can prove the Bible was written based on true reality based history.....as you can prove ALL RELIGOUS DOCTRINES were.

a reply to: 727Sky

Sumerian, indian, european (ie, greeks, and the meditaranean/holy land folks) and baltics all have flood myths that are similar, and all likely relate to the black sea event.

The important part is their language. They all are indoeuropean (or were, prior to arabs). The only real hang up with this is language analysis places the break up of indoeuropean languages around 4k years ago. So there is a disparate analysis between geologists and linguists. But there are some signs that this gap could be shrunk as time goes on.

Here's a really good piece on this topic:

www.smithsonianmag.com...

Of course the flood myth is in all the worlds religions because the flood affected the whole Earth. The "flood" was caused by the melting of the worlds icecaps thereby raising the water level all over the Earth by a couple of hundred feet.
This was a natural phenomena (that's happened a couple of times in the Earths history) not god given. BBuuutt, how does ancient man explain this to his "tribe" "people", to them it WAS a religious meaning because man could not explain it any other way.
I could actually see the storyman around the fire "how did we survive the flood then"? Well "god made one of our ancestors (add in which religious figure fits) make a boat so we could float on the water and survive". "But what about all the animals, surely they would have been drowned in the flood"? Well, " god made our ancestor make the boat big enough to save all the animals".
"wow, that must have been a very, very big boat, can we see it then"? Well," it landed up a mountain which is sacred so you can't go there".
Well children do you want me to explain everything???

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

The flood myth likely relates to the flooding of the Black Sea 7500 years ago.

I don't believe for one second that the flood is a myth just
because science says it is. I believe what we have here are
many different cultures telling the same story of the flood
in it's own watered down version. For various reasons in
each culture that sprang from the flood. We see a very
similar but not quite accurate story of one event. This is
not uncommon at all even in our own history. So you
have all these different cultures spreading out and
branching off. And one story becoming muddled thru
time. The stories that are recorded seem to mesh very
closely to the truth of the story that God finally reveals
to Moses and is recorded in the Torah. It really is just that
simple. You either believe the easiest answer or you try
to make it a myth out of scientific ignorance.

This being what happened also explains mankind's short
historical memory. Many centuries past before civilizations
sprang up and began recording their histories again. Already
we see scientists like Robert Schoch a geologist dating the
sphinx back to ten thousand years. The same time some of
the astronomical anomalies of the Great pyramid concur.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: 727Sky

Sumerian, indian, european (ie, greeks, and the meditaranean/holy land folks) and baltics all have flood myths that are similar, and all likely relate to the black sea event.

The important part is their language. They all are indoeuropean (or were, prior to arabs). The only real hang up with this is language analysis places the break up of indoeuropean languages around 4k years ago. So there is a disparate analysis between geologists and linguists. But there are some signs that this gap could be shrunk as time goes on.

Here's a really good piece on this topic:

www.smithsonianmag.com...

There's your simple explanation as occam would have it.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: 727Sky

Sumerian, indian, european (ie, greeks, and the meditaranean/holy land folks) and baltics all have flood myths that are similar, and all likely relate to the black sea event.

The important part is their language. They all are indoeuropean (or were, prior to arabs). The only real hang up with this is language analysis places the break up of indoeuropean languages around 4k years ago. So there is a disparate analysis between geologists and linguists. But there are some signs that this gap could be shrunk as time goes on.

Here's a really good piece on this topic:

www.smithsonianmag.com...

There's your simple explanation as occam would have it.

North America has the flood legends as well.

www.uwosh.edu...

Their language was different but they appear to have a story that has the common cause (evil) and a boat (raft) made of wood. Also an alternate to the dove mentioned in the biblical account.

a reply to: 727Sky


Was writing even devolved 20k years ago. What did these ice age people write on?

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: 727Sky


Was writing even devolved 20k years ago. What did these ice age people write on?

Ice. Obviously.

originally posted by: Assassin82

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: 727Sky


Was writing even devolved 20k years ago. What did these ice age people write on?

Ice. Obviously.

Bada bing bada boom

Like most of the people who replied I do not remember anything that was supposedly written 20,000 years ago unless it is some kind of cave art. I think anything written was after the 12,900 mark in history.

It does not really matter to me when the stories started as I think the similarities of the stories are what are interesting.

a reply to: 727Sky

People are people.
Thought patterns and legends are one and the same.

If you do bad things, something bad will happen to you, even if I can't actually do anything about it.
So...watch out. Be good.

a reply to: 727Sky Think you have timeline wrong appears we get destroyed every 300 yrs or so also mudfloods volcanoes,we are due May of 21 not far off

originally posted by: NorthOfStuff

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: 727Sky

Sumerian, indian, european (ie, greeks, and the meditaranean/holy land folks) and baltics all have flood myths that are similar, and all likely relate to the black sea event.

The important part is their language. They all are indoeuropean (or were, prior to arabs). The only real hang up with this is language analysis places the break up of indoeuropean languages around 4k years ago. So there is a disparate analysis between geologists and linguists. But there are some signs that this gap could be shrunk as time goes on.

Here's a really good piece on this topic:

www.smithsonianmag.com...

There's your simple explanation as occam would have it.

North America has the flood legends as well.

www.uwosh.edu...

Their language was different but they appear to have a story that has the common cause (evil) and a boat (raft) made of wood. Also an alternate to the dove mentioned in the biblical account.

It's not really accurate to make it look like all indigenous North Americans had flood myths because 1. Not all do and 2. None of it was written down until after contact with Christian missionaries who were the ones who did the writing. The Iroquois Confederacy for example have no flood myths whatsoever.

While its true that there are several American flood myths, there are more people devoid of them than there are those with them. And again, those weren't told and recorded until after contact with Christian missionaries.

It's similar to how the Jewish people didnt have a flood myth until after Jewish scribes were put to work in Babylon during their exile there. Only after being freed by Cyrus did the Noah story come into being. It's far more likely that.its based on the Epic of Gilgamesh than they suddenly remembered Noah.

a reply to: peter vlar

It's similar to how the Jewish people didnt have a flood myth until after Jewish scribes were put to work in Babylon during their exile there. Only after being freed by Cyrus did the Noah story come into being. It's far more likely that.its based on the Epic of Gilgamesh than they suddenly remembered Noah.

But Moses was not a captive of Cyrus. And the chances that the epic
of Gilgamesh was a Babylonian story cherished by the Hebrews? For
four hundred years? To the time of Moses? How unlikely is that?
I don't think so.

originally posted by: Phage
Various floods.
Various places.

Lots of other cautionary tales, as well.

But it isnt various floods in various places. Why do we treat our ancient selves with such patronizing, reductive dismissiveness? 300 stories from around the world are describing the same worldwide flood, just like they say. The details may be lost, but if that's the history the entirety of humanity decided to pass along, that's our history. There are so many ways too that it could have logistically worked out as well as interpretations of certain elements which match the geological evidence.

Do we mean for future generations to talk about the time the west made the sun smash into the east-most islands two times in the course of three days as a cautionary tale for misbehaving children and teach in schools that a man made of chrome, a half man half spider, and a wizard fought the biggest battle of our age against a guy suffering from
Elephantiasis and Agyria and his gay pride glove? Or do we hope they understand the genius who was Stan Lee and think twice before deciding to weaponizes radioactivity in such barbaric magnitude?

Truly....think of alllllllllll the incredible, hard to believe things we are told by those about pre-recorded history and the antediluvian world (had to add that just to erk some people and then decide, is it really the more logical conclusion that some of it is historically so just as they claim the world over, or is it truly void of any truth at all but just fabricated history across the board? I mean the this is our third planet claim, the earth before the moon stories, the floor, the angering the Gods to cause us to fall from their favor from building something or taking some technology of theirs or wanting to be like gods....those are so deep and sacred and ancient that I really think our legacy lies behind the murky language and mist of time. But we should be working on deciphering it not blowing raspberry and waving them off.

a reply to: carsforkids

Well if you had read the bible you would know that no Jews were captives of Cyrus. They were vrought to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus was from Persia and freed the Jews when he conquered Babylon. But I digress. There is no written accoinr of the flood story until after they were freed by Cyrus. Gilgamesh predates Judaism itself so yes, its far more likely that its a matter of cultural diffusion than memory of a similar incident.

a reply to: peter vlar

Of course you're right that the story of Noah's flood came after
Cyrus. But Moses wasn't freed by Cyrus.. I did make a mistake there.
But what evidence is there that the Hebrews had a flood story before
Moses wrote the book of Genesis? I believe that's what you're saying.

a reply to: Phage

You joined in another discussion that was touching on this point (people are people) by asking who in their right mind would mix jack and coke in another thread.

I could not agree more...people are people. Across time and space, we are pretty much the same.