What's wrong with the God of the gaps that Darwinist like to say when losing a debate

You often hear this term thrown around by Darwinist and Atheist especially when they're losing a debate. They say it's just the God of the gaps because you're trying to provide an explanation where there's non even possible by materialism. These things aren't just gaps they're insurmountable gulfs.

The reason that you have gaps is because materialism isn't a possible explanation. You're basically saying materialism can't explain these things but we blindly believe in materialism therefore there's no other explanation. You're presuming that materialism will answer things it can't answer. You have blind belief.

Here's just a couple of examples:

The sequence of objects or symbols don't have any meaning unless intelligence gives it meaning. This symbol * and this symbol / isn't encoded with any information. When intelligence says the sequence */ and /* has start and stop functions for what we will call C comments, then intelligence has encoded these symbols with information.

Again, / and * don't encode their sequence with information that can be decoded any more than ACTG can in DNA.

The sequence has to be encoded with information by intelligence. How can anything evolve if the sequence isn't first given meaning by intelligence?

My intelligence can encode the sequence of a piece of typing paper with information. I can say if the paper is cut into 2 parts, call me on my cell. I can then say if the paper is cut into 4 parts, call me at work.

I have encoded information in the sequence of typing paper. An intelligence can decode this information or I can build a machine that can decode the information in the sequence.

What a natural interpretation of evolution is saying is that the medium used by intelligence encoded itself with information and then built the machinery to decode the information.

So the typing paper(medium) or DNA(medium) encoded it's own sequence with information. This is what materialist are saying! Of course there's gaps or should I say gulfs because materialism isn't even a logical or possible explanation.

The book Information Theory, Evolution and the Origin of Life is written by Hubert Yockey, the foremost living specialist in bioinformatics. The publisher is Cambridge University press. Yockey rigorously demonstrates that the coding process in DNA is identical to the coding process and mathematical definitions used in Electrical Engineering. This is not subjective, it is not debatable or even controversial. It is a brute fact:

“Information, transcription, translation, code, redundancy, synonymous, messenger, editing, and proofreading are all appropriate terms in biology. They take their meaning from information theory (Shannon, 1948) and are not synonyms, metaphors, or analogies.” (Hubert P. Yockey, Information Theory, Evolution, and the Origin of Life, Cambridge University Press, 2005)

evo2.org...

Secondly, evolution is modular. You have all of these parts that evolve that just work togother in complex ways to carry out different tasks. Again, this isn't a gap, this is a gulf.

Why would materialism produce any parts that work together?

If I'm designing a modular home, I make design 30 parts that I carry to the home site that just fit together and work together because that's the way it was designed. These parts are designed to work together.

If you accept the fantasy that is a natural interpretation of evolution, then these parts evolve and voila! like magic they just work together.

You have molucular machines with 50 different parts that are the right size, shape and come together at the right angles to work together. If I build a machine for a factory, it has all the right parts that's the right shape, size and they come together at the right andles that fit because they were designed that way by intelligence.

Here's a paper from Nature:

Evolution thinks modular

Groups of interacting proteins define functional modules that govern a cell's activity. A new study suggests that specific interaction motifs and their constituents are highly conserved across species, identifying potential functional modules used in the evolutionary process.

www.nature.com...

Again, these are not gaps there gulfs that can't be explained by materialism.

1 and 0´s are added when good results, if not it will get removed again.
The universe is our hard drive, galaxies are the sectors, files are the planets, organisms are bits and bytes.
God is the user.

The gaps are a reference to the historical pattern where every divine event turned out to have a natural explanation and no discernible cosmic influence at all, suggesting miracles are just science we haven't puzzled out yet and god is a lazy answer.

You got it backward. Theists invoke God of the Gaps when they are losing a debate.
Anytime God is invoked to fill in the blanks in scientific knowledge. Just because we don't understand how something works don't mean god did it.

Wait, are you actually arguing for creationism?

The "God of the gaps" is a fancy way of saying "we don't know yet" ... Hence it's a gap.
Evolution is a series of random events- the biggest mental hurdle bible folk can't seem to grasp is the time line. Millions of years, millions of generations with millions of genetic abnormalities... The defects don't survive. Sometimes that defective gene might carry on for a hundred generations before they're killed by a storm or something that their abnormality made them more prone to death from.

You can't seriously look at all of the reality in front of you and still think the bible is more than a series of children's stories that went too far without some serious mental short comings.

a reply to: a325nt

Tell me:

How did a series of random events encode sequence with information and also build the machinery to decode that sequence?

How did random events evolve parts that just happen to be the right size, shape and come together at the right angles to build things like molecular machines with 50 different parts?

This isn't about a gap in knowledge. Tell me how this is possible for randomness to achieve. Tell me how a medium can encode itself with information and build the machinery to decode this information without intelligence.

Waiting........

originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: a325nt

Tell me:

How did a series of random events encode sequence with information and also build the machinery to decode that sequence?

How did random events evolve parts that just happen to be the right size, shape and come together at the right angles to build things like molecular machines with 50 different parts?

This isn't about a gap in knowledge. Tell me how this is possible for randomness to achieve. Tell me how a medium can encode itself with information and build the machinery to decode this information without intelligence.

Waiting........

Tell me, why isn't that intelligence here to explain itself?

originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: a325nt

Tell me:

How did a series of random events encode sequence with information and also build the machinery to decode that sequence?

How did random events evolve parts that just happen to be the right size, shape and come together at the right angles to build things like molecular machines with 50 different parts?

This isn't about a gap in knowledge. Tell me how this is possible for randomness to achieve. Tell me how a medium can encode itself with information and build the machinery to decode this information without intelligence.

Waiting........

Fruit flies evolve right in front of your eyes in your short life time- put them in an environment that isn't perfect for them.
After a few generations, offspring that dies less often breeds more, passing on their defects.
This isn't a hard concept, and it has been proven many times over. Haven't you ever seen a fossil?
ffs, have you seen a monkey? Ape? Chimp?
Do you honestly believe they're not related?

Have you seen the # going on near the hot vents on the ocean floor?

Have you ignored cellular replication?

I could probably copy and paste a well thought out reply from any one of thousands of creationism threads, but I'm not willing to waste my time anymore.

If you want proof, go watch a YouTube on how evolution works.

A normal rational person when they don't have the answer to something: Admit they do not have an answer and if one is needed, seek out an answer using research and study, if research and study cannot provide a suitable answer accept that they do not know.

A God of the Gaps follower when they don't have the answer to something: Refuse to accept they cannot know something, and if an answer is needed, look for some kind of proof of the divine to answer the question, even if a rational answer can be provided, deny it and attribute it to god anyway, whatever you do, never accept I do not know as an answer as any question that has no clear answer can and must easily be answered with, because God.

Not knowing the answer to something is completely acceptable, even if attempts to find an answer ends in failure. What is absurd is refusing to accept you can be limited in your knowledge, and that if you can't find an answer to something, you must make one up to fill in that gap in knowledge.

originally posted by: a325nt

originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: a325nt

Tell me:

How did a series of random events encode sequence with information and also build the machinery to decode that sequence?

How did random events evolve parts that just happen to be the right size, shape and come together at the right angles to build things like molecular machines with 50 different parts?

This isn't about a gap in knowledge. Tell me how this is possible for randomness to achieve. Tell me how a medium can encode itself with information and build the machinery to decode this information without intelligence.

Waiting........

Fruit flies evolve right in front of your eyes in your short life time- put them in an environment that isn't perfect for them.
After a few generations, offspring that dies less often breeds more, passing on their defects.
This isn't a hard concept, and it has been proven many times over. Haven't you ever seen a fossil?
ffs, have you seen a monkey? Ape? Chimp?
Do you honestly believe they're not related?

Have you seen the # going on near the hot vents on the ocean floor?

Have you ignored cellular replication?

I could probably copy and paste a well thought out reply from any one of thousands of creationism threads, but I'm not willing to waste my time anymore.

If you want proof, go watch a YouTube on how evolution works.

You prove my point with this obfuscation. You didn't answer anything I've asked. You know why? Because materialism can't answer the question.

IT'S NOT A GAP, IT'S AN INSURMOUNTABLE GULF!

a reply to: neoholographic

Assuming you're right, and it is an insurmountable gulf, the answer is, "I don't know and seem to lack the tools necessary to find out" NOT "God did it because I have no better explanation."

a reply to: Puppylove

God of the gaps says more about the weakness of materialism than it does anything else.

There's gaps or should I say gulfs because it's impossible for materiasm to explain these things.

Tell me:

How is it possible for a medium to encode it's sequence with information and build the machinery to decode that information.

In order for me to even think that materialism is the answer to these things, you have to show that it's a possibility. Tell me how this is possible.

Waiting........

a reply to: neoholographic

I don't need to have an answer to that, because I'm not so insecure that I must have an answer to all things right this second, period. I'm fully of the belief there are things we will never have answers to if for no other reason than, no matter how advanced our tools, there will always be things they cannot measure. I'm also of the opinion there are things we may have answers to, that we don't now, as our tools improve, and so to does our understanding. I'm perfectly willing to admit I neither know, nor have the answer to something. The inability to measure something does not make it divine, it simply makes it beyond the scope of science. Which means, as hard as it is to accept, it may simply be, unknowable.

It is fine that there are unknowable things in the universe, that science will always be fallible for this reason. That's just simply a thing we should accept. The goal is not to know all things, it's to develop the tools necessary to succeed in the universe provided before us to the best of our ability. Will we forever fall short of omniscience? Absolutely, which is good, cause damn would things be boring otherwise.

Let me ask you a question. What's so scary about simply, you know, not knowing something? Why must you have an answer to every question? Why can you not accept that sometimes, there simply isn't one, or more correctly, there is, but we are, due to our limited human perspectives, incapable of acquiring said answer? What is it about this so many of you die hard religious believers find so scary?

a reply to: neoholographic

I like this a lot and I’m going to teach it to my toddler when she starts going to school.

Teacher: What’s 1+1
Daughter: God

Teacher: What does a dog say?
Daughter: God

Teacher: How many mm in 1 cm?
Daughter: God

Genius!

a reply to: Puppylove

Again, it's not about not knowing.

You're saying we can't know because you're trying to avoid the obvious answer. It's impossible for a medium to encode itself with information. It's not about knowing, it's about what's possible. Here's another example:

My Nephew was over so there's crayons, a deck of cards and a paper plate on my table.

I can say:

If the deck of cards, crayons and plate are in a sequence from left to right, then meet me at Subway on 4th St.

I can also say, if the plate, deck of cards and crayons are on the table in a sequence from left to right, meet me Downtown at Chipolte on Market St.

My mind, my intelligence has encoded sequence with information. This information can be decoded by another intelligence or if I construct the machinery to decode the information.

The deck of cards, plate and crayons contain none of the information I want to encode. These things are just the medium. It's the same with DNA. DNA is the medium encoded with information in the sequence of DNA letters ACTG.

This shows that a natural interpretation of evolution isn't just filled with gaps but it's not possible.

You would have to give a medium the agency of mind and intelligence.

a reply to: neoholographic

I think I see your problem.

God created those cards. God created those crayons. God created subways. Therefore, the answer you’re looking for, is God.

Also, God. Maybe a bit of God. Sometimes God, but definitely God squared.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Did I mention God? Hmmm. Well, just it be safe......God.

Make sense?

God!

a reply to: neoholographic

Without omniscience, who are you to say what's possible? There's lots we don't know yet, I'm certainly not a specialist on this matter and frankly neither are you.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: neoholographic

I think I see your problem.

God created those cards. God created those crayons. God created subways. Therefore, the answer you’re looking for, is God.

Also, God. Maybe a bit of God. Sometimes God, but definitely God squared.

I see your problem.

You can't respond intelligently so you mask it in unfunny humor to hide your ignorance.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: neoholographic

I think I see your problem.

God created those cards. God created those crayons. God created subways. Therefore, the answer you’re looking for, is God.

Also, God. Maybe a bit of God. Sometimes God, but definitely God squared.

I see your problem.

You can't respond intelligently so you mask it in unfunny humor to hide your ignorance.