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originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Gryphon66
What year did the famous and powerful racist Lyndon B. Johnson switch to the Republican Party?
Was this the President Johnson that pushed through the CIvil Rights Act?
I don't think he did.
These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: butcherguy
Back then, almost everyone was a racist, especially if they were in politics. That dreaded N-word was common.
One thing I do believe is antithetical to understanding history: trying to interpret it in light of any other cultural conditions than those which existed at that time.
TheRedneck
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: butcherguy
Back then, almost everyone was a racist, especially if they were in politics. That dreaded N-word was common.
One thing I do believe is antithetical to understanding history: trying to interpret it in light of any other cultural conditions than those which existed at that time.
TheRedneck
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: butcherguy
Back then, almost everyone was a racist, especially if they were in politics. That dreaded N-word was common.
One thing I do believe is antithetical to understanding history: trying to interpret it in light of any other cultural conditions than those which existed at that time.
TheRedneck
Exactly right, which is why I take exception to the claims (not because I love Democrats but because it's not true) that the modern Democratic Party is the same as the folks who founded the KKK, voted against the Civil Rights Act, etc.
It's just ... intellectually repulsive.
The fact is, then as now, MOST PEOPLE don't ascribe to either Party. Back then, and up into the mid 1980s ... it was considered poor manners to talk about politics, religion or sex in what we called "mixed company."
Reaganism changed that traditional sort of etiquette.
originally posted by: jjkenobi
While I think the revisionist history is laughable, I'm much more concerned with today's Democrats than the ones two hundred years ago. Is there no one remaining on the left with a bit of common sense? The double standards and hypocrisy are off the charts.
originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Gryphon66
The policies and outcome of Democrat policies for black America have not been good. I can go down the line pointing out how black folks get the smelly end of the stick from Democrat policies.
I am not a Republican. I've voted for Democrats. I am socially liberal. I've never cared for the religious right and they kept me from voting Republican for a long time. I guess I am more libertarian than anything else.
The black community votes 95% for Democrats in spite of polices being damaging to the community. Every election it is the same old trope. Vote for Democrats, we will protect you from evil racist white people. It is getting tired. Particularly in a city like Atlanta which has blacks in political power from police chiefs to city council president to mayor since the 70s.
Every political party attempts to protect their incumbents. If you want to talk gerrymandering, go pull up an election map of Chicago and see how Democrats have drawn the craziest districts.
originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Gryphon66
you forgot the yellow dogs and blue dogs. not a complete picture with out them.
The term “Blue Dog Democrat” is credited to Texas Democratic representative Pete Geren (who later joined the Bush Administration). Geren opined that the members had been “choked blue” by Democrats on the left.[13] It is related to the political term “Yellow Dog Democrat”, a reference to Southern Democrats said to be ‘so loyal they would even vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for any Republican’. The term also refers to the “Blue Dog” paintings of Cajun artist George Rodrigue of Lafayette, Louisiana as the original members of the coalition would regularly meet in the offices of Louisiana representatives Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes, both of whom later joined the Republican Party – both also had Rodrigue’s paintings on their walls.[14][15] An additional explanation for the term cited by members is "when dogs are not let into the house, they stay outside in the cold and turn blue", a reference to the Blue Dogs’ belief they had been left out of a party that they believed had shifted to the political left.[16]
Blue Dog Coalition
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Gryphon66
The policies and outcome of Democrat policies for black America have not been good. I can go down the line pointing out how black folks get the smelly end of the stick from Democrat policies.
I am not a Republican. I've voted for Democrats. I am socially liberal. I've never cared for the religious right and they kept me from voting Republican for a long time. I guess I am more libertarian than anything else.
The black community votes 95% for Democrats in spite of polices being damaging to the community. Every election it is the same old trope. Vote for Democrats, we will protect you from evil racist white people. It is getting tired. Particularly in a city like Atlanta which has blacks in political power from police chiefs to city council president to mayor since the 70s.
Every political party attempts to protect their incumbents. If you want to talk gerrymandering, go pull up an election map of Chicago and see how Democrats have drawn the craziest districts.
Not been good? As opposed to what? What is the alternative? Republicans catering to generations of secregationalists in the South? What hasn't been good for all Americans in the last 40 years or so is being the shuttlecock that the two sides bat back and forth.
Well, feel free to talk about poor Democratic policies. This thread is for facts about the Democratic party not to defend them. Show us what you're talking about.
I see that you used a "little el" for libertarian, and I agree with that whole-heartedly. To me any political question can be solved seriously by asking a simple question ... does this favor the State (authoritarian) or the individual (libertarian.)
Both parties (and the capital El LIbertarians) have been co-opted.
Well apparently 95% of Black America doesn't see it the way you do, and I'm not being snide in that. I think most Black folks see what I see ... of the two Parties, the Democrats at least are still TALKING ABOUT civil rights and equality before the law. Blacks in political power don't end racism. You know that as well as I do. You also know that the police unions are right-wing and have been. THAT fact is what has continued to corrupt the police departments.
I'd love to see Black Americans, and White Americans and ... my preferences ALL AMERICANS leave the two-party bullpucks behind for good.
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: butcherguy
Back then, almost everyone was a racist, especially if they were in politics. That dreaded N-word was common.
One thing I do believe is antithetical to understanding history: trying to interpret it in light of any other cultural conditions than those which existed at that time.
TheRedneck
Exactly right, which is why I take exception to the claims (not because I love Democrats but because it's not true) that the modern Democratic Party is the same as the folks who founded the KKK, voted against the Civil Rights Act, etc.
It's just ... intellectually repulsive.
The fact is, then as now, MOST PEOPLE don't ascribe to either Party. Back then, and up into the mid 1980s ... it was considered poor manners to talk about politics, religion or sex in what we called "mixed company."
Reaganism changed that traditional sort of etiquette.
But yet you believe the Republican party is full of those same racists....
Democrats these days practice a type of paternal racism. They treat black people like we are pets are something. They don't think we can survive on our own or have an ability to compete.
Republicans just don't give a f*ck about black folks. Personally, I am ok with that.
Like you, I was born and raised in GA in the early 70s. I am black. I always preferred the racist who was upfront and honest. At least I knew what I was dealing with. I hate the racist who smile in your face and pretend they are your friend. I find Democrats to be the latter.
The only revisionist history generally on display is the tired crap about the Democratic Party starting the KKK and owning plantations.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Edumakated
The "welfare state" has led to the destruction of the Black family? I call BS. For the last decade I have lived in middle-class neighborhoods in and around Emory University that have Black, White, Asian, Latino and any other combinations of families. Some of the strongest families I know are Black and many have benefited from various "welfare state" programs over the years. That's a blanket, grossly-exaggerated statement.
How are Blacks kept trapped in public schools again? I'll be the first to lay considerably blame at the feet of the public education systems in the US ... but you'll have to point to specific Democratic policies if you want to sell me on that one.
Gun Control? Should be obvious but it's not, so enlighten us.
"Importing law skilled workers"? By allowing immigration to the US? Again, show some evidence.
Minimum wage? The minimum wage hasn't been anywhere close to a living wage in multiple decades. Look to corporations obsessed with continually maximized profits if you want to see the problem with entry level jobs in this country.
Sure ... keep going. SO far you're just reciting typical right-wing claptrap without pointing to a SINGLE actual Democratic policy that causes these ills you're complaining about.