DOJ Rules that Female Athletes Do Not Have To Compete Against Girls That Are Boys.

a reply to: ketsuko

Rest assured, personally, I'm fully aware of there being a clear difference between women in general, and those who promote 3rd wave feminism.

a reply to: redmage

That was the explanation for why so many men enjoyed seeing girls get the sh!t kicked out of them.

There is a lot of the "you wanted equality; now you've got it" mentality, and it's a direct response to the third wave feminist shrieking. The feeling is that certain groups want what they call equality but what really boils down to special rights for them at the expense of others, and this illustrates why they have some of those rights like separate sports because in some areas ... we aren't actually the perfect equivalent.

As a woman who competed at a high levels in sports, the only way women get to have high level competition is to separate women from men because like it or not there is a clear, physical difference in capability. At that level, we are not equal and we stop being equal early on in development as boys and girls. It doesn't mean we can't be competitive or learn the technical demands or skills, but the sheer physicality will never be ours as women.

a reply to: redmage

It's a damn crap show, eh?

I wasn't trying to be critical of your statement, my apologies if it sounded that way. It's just my whole frustration with "feminism" in all its iterations.

a reply to: carewemust

well as i read it it's not a ruling but it is their/ his position on the matter. he can't make a ruling only the courts can.

a reply to: ketsuko

I get absolutely no joy "seeing girls get the sh!t kicked out of them", the same as I get no joy from seeing the Boy Scouts getting sued relentlessly to allow girls to join.

That said, I'm not gonna cry about "seeing girls get the sh!t kicked out of them" either since so many 3rd wave feminists fought for that "right". All I can do is wait to see if modern feminists see the error and danger that such a fight (and "win") presents to young women across the country so that maybe they'll shift the fight in a more egalitarian direction, and accept that the physical and psychological differences between men and women should be appreciated and respected.

a reply to: redmage

In the meantime, plenty of girls who have no dog in the fight at all get humiliated or even seriously hurt because of it.

That's certainly not fair.

originally posted by: wdkirk
If you are “ovary impaired” you cannot compete with those that are “ovary enabled”.

The next question someone will ask is if a female has a hysterectomy does that disqualify her since she Has missing parts.

The presence or lack of an ovary is not pertinent to this discussion. In the male physiology, it's the testes that produce testosterone. Testosterone is the key; that is what promotes muscular development, aggression, the characteristics we associate with the male physique and behavioral traits. Elevated testosterone in these young high school men, pretending to be women, is what gives them an unfair competitive advantage over their women counterparts.

a reply to: ketsuko

I agree, and like you am no fan of the fights 3rd wave feminists have chosen to pursue. The idea that biological males should be able to compete physically with biological females just because they "identify" as women is insane to me.

There are clear physical differences such as bone density and skeletal structure that make many such competitions unfair, and even unsafe.

Now the problem is on women's shoulders. Anything I, or any other man says to denounce it will just be chalked up to "mansplaining" and be dismissed. So the fight is now on your shoulders to try to get through to the modern feminists regarding the errors they're making. Good luck to any women taking up the good fight.

Wait, does this mean I can't watch high school girls get suplexed by dudes anymore?

originally posted by: Oppositeoftruth
Apparently a lot of people really enjoyed see girls get the sh!t beat out of them by biological males.

I certainly do. The abject terror on this girl's face, as the sociopath behind her prepares to choke her out, is my all-time favorite sports photo (/sarc).

This should be common sense stuff, I wouldn't want my daughter competing against dudes, what happened to women rights?

Women's Rights were BS, they are BS, and they always will be BS. This 'trans' stuff has truly leveled the playing field ... and now people wanna call foul.

Don't _ever_ allow women to compete on a man's playing field. When that rule is firmly established, maybe we can go back and look at removing trannies from girl's sports.

a reply to: Snarl

what's good for the goose is good for the gander. if a male was to say that they don't want to compete with women on a man's playing field, all kind of holy hell would be raised.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Snarl

what's good for the goose is good for the gander. if a male was to say that they don't want to compete with women on a man's playing field, all kind of holy hell would be raised.

That's the third wave thing again.

And depending on the sport, I wouldn't blame a man for saying it. There are some sports where it would be downright uncomfortable to dangerous to embarrassing.

Why would you force a man to wrestle a woman?

What about putting a woman into full contact football?

At the same time, if you get a woman who could theoretically play golf from the men's tee at the men's standard ... I won't see why you wouldn't let her. From what I recall, the only ones who've tried didn't do well and quickly dropped out. If you get woman who can drive NASCAR competently, stick her in there. The car equalizes the physical aspects similar to eSports where the computer smooths it over some or equestrian where the horse does it.

originally posted by: redmage
a reply to: ketsuko

Now the problem is on women's shoulders. Anything I, or any other man says to denounce it will just be chalked up to "mansplaining" and be dismissed. So the fight is now on your shoulders to try to get through to the modern feminists regarding the errors they're making. Good luck to any women taking up the good fight.

I might agree if it weren't for all the men encouraging and promoting the Trans Agenda, goading their fellow men into violating women's rights and spaces. There is a very definite misogyny behind the Trans Agenda, which is why it's so common for incels to suddenly decide they are "really " women and they can do woman "right."

From beginning to end, this is a male problem, created and perpetuated and escalated by men, against women and girls. As long as men are in the mix pushing and promoting this agenda, men also have a responsibility to speak out against the abuse and harassment of women. Men should also be thinking about protecting the boys and young men who are addicted to porn, especially the sissification and hypno porn, which is fueling the rise of autogynephilia, and destroying too many young men's lives.

All I can say is anybody that could compete against anyone knowing that they have an inherent advantage over them has no sense of ethics or sportsmanship....it would make me question every aspect of their life and what the motives were behind everything they do.

originally posted by: HarryJoy
All I can say is anybody that could compete against anyone knowing that they have an inherent advantage over them has no sense of ethics or sportsmanship...

Mickey Mantle comes up late in the season against a minor league call up, what should he do? Strike out intentionally or try to get on base?

a reply to: Boadicea

That might be the funniest post I've read all week. LOL

Even citing Blanchard and Freund's pseudoscience theory of "autogynephilia" which completely ignores the existence of trans men.

None of what you posted changes the fact that 3rd wave feminists are going to need to hear rationality from other women in order to not simply dismiss it as mansplaining.

Women are going to have to shift 3rd wave feminism's goals all on their own because 3rd wave feminists are never going to allow the opinions of men to shift it for them.

a reply to: ketsuko

i didn't say otherwise, i said what's good for the goose is good for the gander. in other words if they can compete in male dominated sports, and expect nothing to be said then they shouldn't say anything about men doing the same. it's not me saying allow them.

there are women/ girl football players,in youth leagues, in high school, college (first one was in 1997), and the NFL said in 2012 that they would allow women to play. although there are still none. plus in the past there have been other women play in other pro male leagues besides the NFL

also there have been women that have played on the PGA Tour

a reply to: redmage

They simply purge any women who disagree.

I've never been "in" with any Rad Fems being a conservative more or less my whole life, so I'm anathema, but I've seen how they treated those former ideological opponents of mine who started to speak out against what's been going on.

Let's just say there is a new women's movement out there composed of conservative women, some lesbians, athletes, feminists and other women who see this for what it is, and none of us are treated kindly by or listened to by Rad Fems. They don't care that we're women. It's like the Women's March shutting down because it was too white.

a reply to: ketsuko

Oh, I hear ya, but as a woman you can at least get your foot in the door before being purged, and maybe convince one or two on your way out.

It's a radical self-isolated bunch, so it's gonna take lots of baby steps.

originally posted by: redmage
a reply to: Boadicea

That might be the funniest post I've read all week. LOL

Okay. That tells me a lot.

Even citing Blanchard and Freund's pseudoscience theory of "autogynephilia" which completely ignores the existence of trans men.

Because not all trans are the same, and pretending they are is as much of the problem as pretending all feminists are the same, or pretending all men and all women are the same, and so on.

None of what you posted changes the fact that 3rd wave feminists are going to need to hear rationality from other women in order to not simply dismiss it as mansplaining.

And none of what you posted changes the fact that men need to hear rationality from other men in order to not destroy their lives with delusions and porn addictions.

Nor should men ever be explaining women to women, which is what mansplaining is. They should be explaining men to women, and should be explaining men to boys.

And, actually, what I posted confirms that 3rd wave feminists have already heard rationality from other women and it didn't change their opinions. They are simply called TERFs and transphobes and ignored.

Nevertheless, women do not make men pretend to be women. That's men deciding that for themselves.

Women are going to have to shift 3rd wave feminism's goals all on their own because 3rd wave feminists are never going to allow the opinions of men to shift it for them.

Neither men nor women can "shift" someone else's thinking. Nor is that necessary. What we ALL should be doing is fighting against the rights being trampled. Men and women can think whatever they like, and do whatever they can for themselves and by themselves. They just can't be allowed to impose that thinking on everyone else, and force them to act accordingly.