Democrats and socialism are NOT the problem

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: KnoxMSP
So this once again boils down to the wealth gap, elites using their wealth to manipulate our economy, and boomers with their heads in the sand thinking 2019 is 1979.

Wake me up when the rhetoric changes and we start working to equalize the opportunity in this country, and take the power back from corporations and govt.

Can we please have our apocolypse now?

This is the true problem - people who say idiotic things like "boomers with their heads in the sand thinking 2019 is 1979. " People who say this probably never lived in 1979. Life was much better then, and if you don't know that for a fact, you have no right to an opinion in the matter. How can 2019, where most families have to have two people working and bringing in an income just to survive, be better than 1979, where one person, working a regular 40-hour week could support a family of 5? There is no way 2019 is better than 1979. And guess who gets to decide which year we get to live in - 2019 or 1979? The consumer. That's all of us, if we would only stand together on this matter and demand it.

Uhm, that was my point, lol. The DI has plummeted, and the COLI has increased exponentially since 1979. My parents and grandparents had it much better than I do.

Which is why when I see boomers spouting off about how great the economy is I think of ostriches. Just look at dollar index, cost of living index, and wealth disparity.

I am very conservative but piss off other conservatives for being critical of our economy. Like in order to be conservative I have to not question the huge mega corporations, or extreme wealth gap getting bigger.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

At least be truthful. You want the hard earned work of millions of people in the middle class, and you don't want to have to work hard for it. You just want it, and want everything given to you free.

AMEN!! The truth hurts! AMEN!
Yes Sir Re Bob, this is what i'm saying.

This will be my last reply to you unless you learn how to quote.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
You are so wrong on every rebuttal of yours.

Am not.

Remember back in the 1950s when we had "burger flippers?" Those people were able to raise a family and only one person had to work in the family to be able to raise said family. Trust me, it happened.

In your dreams, maybe.

originally posted by: KnoxMSP
Uhm, that was my point, lol. The DI has plummeted, and the COLI has increased exponentially since 1979. My parents and grandparents had it much better than I do.

Which is why when I see boomers spouting off about how great the economy is I think of ostriches. Just look at dollar index, cost of living index, and wealth disparity.

This is all due to the hidden tax aka inflation, caused directly by our removal from the silver standard in 1965. The UnConstitutional theft of all of the gold in 1933 was a different story, but we were still on the silver standard until the Coinage Act of 1965, that was the first time in our history our coin was debased (and until about 15 years prior, debasing the coinage was a death penalty offense).

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: KnoxMSP
Uhm, that was my point, lol. The DI has plummeted, and the COLI has increased exponentially since 1979. My parents and grandparents had it much better than I do.

Which is why when I see boomers spouting off about how great the economy is I think of ostriches. Just look at dollar index, cost of living index, and wealth disparity.

This is all due to the hidden tax aka inflation, caused directly by our removal from the silver standard in 1965. The UnConstitutional theft of all of the gold in 1933 was a different story, but we were still on the silver standard until the Coinage Act of 1965, that was the first time in our history our coin was debased (and until about 15 years prior, debasing the coinage was a death penalty offense).

I think we agree on most of this stuff. Fiat currency was a mistake, and a fair tax would work to solve a lot of problems. Problem is that those in power will do anything to keep their wealth, and those of us without wealth have no power.

I hope we are not too far gone, but I am not seeing any light at the end of the tunnel yet.

a reply to: JustJohnny

An add-on to Just Johnny...

America’s 242-year boner for the self-made man makes most Americans today—men and women—slow to see or acknowledge any amount of, oh God here it comes, the p-word: privilege.

Even people who might roll their eyes at the idea of a “meritocracy” in America are often slow to divulge that their parents gave them money for a down payment on a house, or paid their college tuition, or helped float their business when they were starting out.

If they won’t admit that a bit of free money helped them out, they sure as hell aren’t going to acknowledge the more qualitative benefits of growing up in a particular class.

That doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter. And in fact ignoring its value is directly harmful to those without these assets because it feeds into the idea that each individual is 100 percent directly responsible for their own success.

It also makes it easy to justify not funding social programs that aim to close the wealth gap because hey, if class doesn’t matter, no one needs or deserves help.

originally posted by: DictionaryOfExcuses
a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

Are there social services of any kind for homeless people?

Is homelessness pervasive in your area?

In the last decade Holland has tried to help as many people as possible. The days of old are thankfully long gone as far as seeing lots of homeless people everywhere. This also reduces the nuisance that happens when lots of people hang around on the streets. Plus they get helped with their drug and health problems where necessary. Obviously with 600,000 residents there will be some who fall through the net, possibly due to unwillingness to take part in the programs, but on the whole it's a lot better than it was.

The area of the city I live is considered one of the best, apparently. I'm only here due to random chance, not by design. I doubt I could afford the prices here. (I'm in temporary housing and our building gets repurposed/demolished soon-ish.) In the city centre you see a couple of people begging but it is sporadic and they leave you alone if you say no.

originally posted by: KnoxMSP

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: KnoxMSP
So this once again boils down to the wealth gap, elites using their wealth to manipulate our economy, and boomers with their heads in the sand thinking 2019 is 1979.

Wake me up when the rhetoric changes and we start working to equalize the opportunity in this country, and take the power back from corporations and govt.

Can we please have our apocolypse now?

This is the true problem - people who say idiotic things like "boomers with their heads in the sand thinking 2019 is 1979. " People who say this probably never lived in 1979. Life was much better then, and if you don't know that for a fact, you have no right to an opinion in the matter. How can 2019, where most families have to have two people working and bringing in an income just to survive, be better than 1979, where one person, working a regular 40-hour week could support a family of 5? There is no way 2019 is better than 1979. And guess who gets to decide which year we get to live in - 2019 or 1979? The consumer. That's all of us, if we would only stand together on this matter and demand it.

Uhm, that was my point, lol

After I posted, I wondered if maybe that's what you meant. Sorry about that! I apologise.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
This will be my last reply to you unless you learn how to quote.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
You are so wrong on every rebuttal of yours.

Am not.

Remember back in the 1950s when we had "burger flippers?" Those people were able to raise a family and only one person had to work in the family to be able to raise said family. Trust me, it happened.

In your dreams, maybe.

That's perfectly fine with me. I don't need to hear any more words out of your mouth to know you're wrong. You've already convinced me! So, PLEASE - don't respond.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

At least be truthful. You want the hard earned work of millions of people in the middle class, and you don't want to have to work hard for it. You just want it, and want everything given to you free.

AMEN!! The truth hurts! AMEN!
Yes Sir Re Bob, this is what i'm saying.

Why do the older generation believe they worked so much harder when the *Fed Res says the average amount of hours worked has remained within 5% over the last 50+ years?

* www.minneapolisfed.org...

So many on here act like people want a handout. They don't. They want to be compensated fairly for the value and profit they bring their company. When the job market is over-saturated with applicants in every sector, the corporations and large companies have too much power, and can actually drive down wages for their lower level staff (this is why we are seeing higher than ever employee turnover rates), while increasing profit margins for the CEOs, Managers, and Board, and stock holders. I understand you need money to make money but the ratio is too far off now.

I don't know why so many people barely make it or sleep under bridges. I'm 35 have 2 girls and take care of my family on only my income just fine. I dropped out of school and eventually got a GED. I also come from a poor area. I just don't consider myself bound by a set of "rules" I worked hard and invested my time in bettering myself, not staying at the same crummy job for 20 years. I don't think most people are lazy, I just think
a lot of people have a low self esteem or self worth and don't try beyond a 15 dollars an hour job.

Sorry, this was written on my phone.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: JAGStorm

It's the people not the government? I don't believe in government the way you do. I think government is the problem. The people work plenty hard. I would not characterize the American people as generally lazy complainers. Everyone I know works their guts out.

The problem is to much government. Socialists generally tend to believe the government can fix everything if only they try or if only the evil capitalists would stop ruining it for them. Why not take a lesson from the failed state of Soviet Socialism. The problem is authoritarian totalitarianism and the Nanny State. Real Free Enterprise has been subverted by crony capitalism in bed with socialists.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Yes G Edward Griffin explains it very well.

The problem is neither communism nor capitalism. It's globalism.

The moment we dropped our protective tariffs, it was pretty much inevitable (real) wages would drop. The unskilled wage is the foundation all other wages set upon. They're the bottom of the pyramid, and the rest of the pyramid stacks on top of that bottom.

Relative wage is always going to be based on relative scarcity. If we connect our economy to countries like China and Mexico, that have gobs and gobs of unskilled workers, but barely any skilled workers, then the relative scarcity of skilled vs. unskilled labor shifts. And the price with it.


Socialism won't fix this. The rich don't hardly pay taxes anyway. (Because they invest most of their income, which makes it tax deductible.) (It's not hard to live within your budget when you're Hunter Biden, making 600,000 per year.)

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
The problem is neither communism nor capitalism. It's globalism.

The moment we dropped our protective tariffs, it was pretty much inevitable (real) wages would drop. The unskilled wage is the foundation all other wages set upon. They're the bottom of the pyramid, and the rest of the pyramid stacks on top of that bottom.

Relative wage is always going to be based on relative scarcity. If we connect our economy to countries like China and Mexico, that have gobs and gobs of unskilled workers, but barely any skilled workers, then the relative scarcity of skilled vs. unskilled labor shifts. And the price with it.


Socialism won't fix this. The rich don't hardly pay taxes anyway. (Because they invest most of their income, which makes it tax deductible.) (It's not hard to live within your budget when you're Hunter Biden, making 600,000 per year.)

Just fixing tariffs won’t solve everything but Trump is putting a dent in the globalist Trade problem. There are other parts, like the union mafia... unions are used by the communist party as a tool to destroy capitalism. Unions have been part of the reason corporations go abroad to operate to lower cost of overhead, while our own govt has increased bureaucratic regulations which also increase production costs. Trump has also been trying to fix that too, as well as reduce regulations in building homes that drives the cost up. Then there’s the hidden tax ... aka inflation caused by the excessive printing of fiat money with no backing which floods the market with money with lowered value.
There, that’s a more complete explanation involving Keynesian manipulation ( interest rate manipulation also part of that). Excessive taxation to run a bloated big government with no self control in spending also a huge problem. This is where big spenders on both sides destroy our economy by forcing the tax payers to spend on programs they didn’t ask
For and which only further the Nanny State. Then along come these radical Democrats with their proposals to pay for illegals college with the taxes gouged from people who work hard. And the Green New Deal another scam to steal from the people for the express purpose of expanding the Nanny State.

originally posted by: AIC4ME
I don't know why so many people barely make it or sleep under bridges. I'm 35 have 2 girls and take care of my family on only my income just fine. I dropped out of school and eventually got a GED. I also come from a poor area. I just don't consider myself bound by a set of "rules" I worked hard and invested my time in bettering myself, not staying at the same crummy job for 20 years. I don't think most people are lazy, I just think
a lot of people have a low self esteem or self worth and don't try beyond a 15 dollars an hour job.

Sorry, this was written on my phone.

It’s more than what you just said. Please see my post and take a course in economics and you’ll get a more complete picture of things. Also our economy has been flooded by illegals who take the jobs and depress wages. Corporations outsource things like tech jobs, call centers, etc.
it is true that it’s harder to make it on one paycheck unless you are a doctor or a ceo. For those who are not... why should we have to pay 325.00 /yr for auto tags when it should be 25.00$?

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Just fixing tariffs won’t solve everything but Trump is putting a dent in the globalist Trade problem.

Things were going pretty good in the 90's. When we had all our tariffs in place.

I think there are a lot of fake news outlets trying to repeatedly downplay it, and that is why the public is ignorant of how much of a very direct impact it has had on our collective livelihoods.

There are other parts, like the union mafia... unions are used by the communist party as a tool to destroy capitalism. Unions have been part of the reason corporations go abroad to operate to lower cost of overhead, while our own govt has increased bureaucratic regulations which also increase production costs.

A worker's power doesn't derive only from their ability to contribute, but also from their ability to destroy. In a perfect world this would not be so, but we don't live in one.

Management has an inherent ability to destroy. Or rather, to demand appeasement. They can "oops!!!" shut down the whole plant "by accident" if they feel they are being disrespected.

Unions give production workers this same ability.

Without that, management of any very big corporation, would give itself all the raises. (The company is just as bankrupt either way, because if it doesn't go to the workers, it will go to management rather than the owners.)

The union is easy to blame though, because it does its grift out in the open. And sometimes a union becomes too powerful and bites off the hand that feeds it.

There, that’s a more complete explanation involving Keynesian manipulation ( interest rate manipulation also part of that). Excessive taxation to run a bloated big government with no self control in spending also a huge problem. This is where big spenders on both sides destroy our economy by forcing the tax payers to spend on programs they didn’t ask
For and which only further the Nanny State. Then along come these radical Democrats with their proposals to pay for illegals college with the taxes gouged from people who work hard. And the Green New Deal another scam to steal from the people for the express purpose of expanding the Nanny State.

There are just so many loopholes in campaign finance laws. A corporation can run a very expensive ad campaign on a candidate's behalf (so not directly donating money but.... still kind of donating money....)

And then they expect that candidate will vote for them to get paid a bit more than fair market value to do something like building a prison.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Hey. Thanks for the response. I'm not trying to say there isn't more to it. I'm open to alternative ideas for sure, but I know a lot of people, especially in my family, who just don't try and are super entitled. I'm trying prep my kids to be innovative and carve their own path through life without being held back by a "I can't do it" mindset. The biggest thing that changed me was knowing I'm only limited to my defeatist mindset. I'm not a CEO or a doctor, I just found out that I'm really good at selling real estate lol.

originally posted by: KnoxMSP
I think we agree on most of this stuff. Fiat currency was a mistake, and a fair tax would work to solve a lot of problems. Problem is that those in power will do anything to keep their wealth, and those of us without wealth have no power.

I hope we are not too far gone, but I am not seeing any light at the end of the tunnel yet.

Agreed...

The problem is, the way the current monetary system is designed - debt-based (except for coinage) fiat currency where money for the interest is not created when new money is added to the system - it is mathematically impossible to pay off the debt.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
G Edward Griffin explains it very well.

Yep, among others...