WTC 7 could not collapsed from fire, but WTC 5 had partial collapse from fire?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere
Is there any evidence of columns being physical cut in the video, audio, seismic, or photographic evidence? Again. The exterior columns were right at WTC 7’s windows. Is that false? What are you claiming had to be cut for eighteen floors for the facade to fall at the speed of free fall? How many supports on how many floors by how many planted pyrotechnics?

24 interior columns and 58 perimeter columns.
Width of the building
If there was resistance- freefall can't happen
NIST illustrations and computer model of the collapse does not look identical to the real collapse
NIST building is a crushed can coming down. NIST computer simulation model predicted this
Reality- building seven walls and roofline dropped down uniformly. Can only be done by controlled demolition.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

You

NIST never tested for explosives. Not my job to do this. Direct your complaints elsewhere.

Such a false argument.

What were they supposed to test. There is no evidence of explosives cutting columns in the audio, video, seismic, or photo evidence. There is no evidence in the metallurgy of the buildings that failures were caused by explosives. There were no demolitions shrapnel recovered from the injured and dead. There was no demolitions shrapnel, no blasting cap fragments, no sign of a system of wires for a CD system. But over 19,000 fragments of human remains were recovered. What would randomly testing over 1,000,000 tons of rubble from thirteen destroyed buildings contaminated with a toxic soup out in the weather for up to three months prove?

How do you know, they did not find anything? They are covering up world seven demolition for 18 years and you expect them to be honest with other findings?

originally posted by: Jesushere

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

You

NIST never tested for explosives. Not my job to do this. Direct your complaints elsewhere.

Such a false argument.

What were they supposed to test. There is no evidence of explosives cutting columns in the audio, video, seismic, or photo evidence. There is no evidence in the metallurgy of the buildings that failures were caused by explosives. There were no demolitions shrapnel recovered from the injured and dead. There was no demolitions shrapnel, no blasting cap fragments, no sign of a system of wires for a CD system. But over 19,000 fragments of human remains were recovered. What would randomly testing over 1,000,000 tons of rubble from thirteen destroyed buildings contaminated with a toxic soup out in the weather for up to three months prove?

How do you know, they did not find anything? They are covering up world seven demolition for 18 years and you expect them to be honest with other findings?

Ok. From the video, photographic, audio, and seismic data, what should they have found.

But your implication is that hundreds of individuals in the NYFD / NYPD, local officials, the New York coroner’s official, and civilian contracts (many who lost family, friends, and colleagues on 9/11) would have to be complicit in a cover up.

a reply to: neutronflux

Why not?
Consider what it takes to convince people that the world is round.

a reply to: Jesushere

And not one photo of a column being physically cut that should be clearly visible through the windows. No flashes. No evidence of thermite burning. No evidence of an over pressure event with the power to cut columns. No evidence of demolitions shrapnel being ejected from detonations to initiate movement.

What’s that about the truth movement? Claiming the office fires were not that hot. Didn’t you post that too. I guess that rules out thermite that burns over 3000 degrees Fahrenheit. You said yourself the fires at WTC 7 were not that hot.

a reply to: Jesushere

So, which is it?

That the WTC 7 fires were not that hot?

Or there were floor to floor fires on “24 interior columns and 58 perimeter columns” from thermite burning at a temperature greater that 3000 degrees Fahrenheit?

originally posted by: Jesushere

Reality- building seven walls and roofline dropped down uniformly. Can only be done by controlled demolition.

Bull cookies



Tell the workers families killed in this collapse roof to ground due to connection failure of top slab

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

And not one photo of a column being physically cut that should be clearly visible through the windows. No flashes. No evidence of thermite burning. No evidence of an over pressure event with the power to cut columns. No evidence of demolitions shrapnel being ejected from detonations to initiate movement.

What’s that about the truth movement? Claiming the office fires were not that hot. Didn’t you post that too. I guess that rules out thermite that burns over 3000 degrees Fahrenheit. You said yourself the fires at WTC 7 were not that hot.

Will you provide, the pictures that show 47 floors from top to bottom collapsed? I'd think 47 floors collapsing will have a more devastating effect and yet we see no visible change from the outside. Its's silly argument, why do we see no flashes and thermite burning, outside the building.

NIST trying to claim one localised failure can cause the entire inner core to collapse. If it was that easy, demolition crews would be out of a job. They just have to rig one column and that entire building would come down.

The tests Harrit and others carried out- the red/grey chips showed the ignite at very low temps. This is not classic thermite. These chips appear to be an engineered substance produced in a lab. It has similar ingredients, like thermite, but likely mixed with other exotic materials also. How you can make nano-thermite chips from nothing? There has to be way of mixing and fusing it together to form nanochips that seemly are perfectly sized 100um.

I would not rush to judgement these chips were used to take down WTC7, as they are found in dust belonging to the towers. Every sample had the chips.

a reply to: Jesushere

Again.

And not one photo of a column being physically cut that should be clearly visible through the windows. No flashes. No evidence of thermite burning. No evidence of an over pressure event with the power to cut columns. No evidence of demolitions shrapnel being ejected from detonations to initiate movement.

What’s that about the truth movement? Claiming the office fires were not that hot. Didn’t you post that too. I guess that rules out thermite that burns over 3000 degrees Fahrenheit. You said yourself the fires at WTC 7 were not that hot.

So, which is it?

That the WTC 7 fires were not that hot?

Or there were floor to floor fires on “24 interior columns and 58 perimeter columns” from thermite burning at a temperature greater that 3000 degrees Fahrenheit?

You want me to open up to cut columns. Then post evidence of columns being physically cut.

originally posted by: wmd_2008

originally posted by: Jesushere

Reality- building seven walls and roofline dropped down uniformly. Can only be done by controlled demolition.

Bull cookies

Tell the workers families killed in this collapse roof to ground due to connection failure of top slab

Slow buckling of floors would pull in the perimeter walls of the building.

NIST model predicted it.
www.quora.com...

Reality is this never happened.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

Again.

And not one photo of a column being physically cut that should be clearly visible through the windows. No flashes. No evidence of thermite burning. No evidence of an over pressure event with the power to cut columns. No evidence of demolitions shrapnel being ejected from detonations to initiate movement.

What’s that about the truth movement? Claiming the office fires were not that hot. Didn’t you post that too. I guess that rules out thermite that burns over 3000 degrees Fahrenheit. You said yourself the fires at WTC 7 were not that hot.

So, which is it?

That the WTC 7 fires were not that hot?

Or there were floor to floor fires on “24 interior columns and 58 perimeter columns” from thermite burning at a temperature greater that 3000 degrees Fahrenheit?

You want me to open up to cut columns. Then post evidence of columns being physically cut.

You can't comprehend or are you just a bit slow?

Just told you, you will not find any known image showing 47 floors collapsing inside the building.

Yet you keep looking for one isolated Column failure photo?
Outside we don't see any failures occurring inside the building
We only see the outside collapse

The Nanothermite explantation you can't process for some odd reason too. The chips ignite at low temps, not high temps normally associated with classic thermite burning.

a reply to: Jesushere

The collapse of WTC 7 is on video. Show video evidence of columns being physical cut. Are the exterior columns not right at the WTC 7 windows and facade. But not a single piece of evidence of something cutting into the facade. No visible action in the windows. Not even the bright slow 3000 degree Fahrenheit fires of how many thermite charges burning in the CD fantasy.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

The collapse of WTC 7 is on video. Show video evidence of columns being physical cut. Are the exterior columns not right at the WTC 7 windows and facade. But not a single piece of evidence of something cutting into the facade. No visible action in the windows. Not even the bright slow 3000 degree Fahrenheit fires of how many thermite charges burning in the CD fantasy.

Yes, the collapse is shown on the video, take a gold star.

Explained complex scenario and you've not understood it. Please read what I wrote, the steel from the site was not rediscovered, to determine, the steel was physically damaged by explosives. Steel was manually removed by clean up workers, and by machinery, and loaded onto dump trucks, and went somewhere and after certain time, disappeared. This evidence should be accessible to engineers, but it is not, a crime that nobody was prosecuted for or lost their job over it.

There no physical proof 47 floors collapsed, either, nothing but a report NIST released to convince people like you fire was cause of the collapse. Seeing action out the building is completely irrelevant since NIST collapsing floors was not witnessed by anyone and nobody has shown it happening on the video.

Nanothermite allegedly found is not associated with building seven collapse. It evidence linked with the towers collapse.

a reply to: Jesushere

Well. Two bad there are two other studies that detail how fire collapse was possible beside the NIST study.

Now. I want physical evidence of columns cut to initiate collapse.

You

Steel was manually removed by clean up workers, and by machinery, and loaded onto dump trucks, and went somewhere and after certain time, disappeared. This evidence should be accessible to engineers, but it is not, a crime that nobody was prosecuted for or lost their job over it.

Funny isn’t there documentation of steel failures and samples from WTC 7. Plus photo records of the steel?

And the major problem in that steel from WTC 7 had no ID marks from construction, making the mixed pile of buildings useless to try to map in a meaningful way?

Again...

The collapse of WTC 7 is on video. Show video evidence of columns being physical cut. Are the exterior columns not right at the WTC 7 windows and facade. But not a single piece of evidence of something cutting into the facade. No visible action in the windows. Not even the bright slow 3000 degree Fahrenheit fires of how many thermite charges burning in the CD fantasy.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

Well. Two bad there are two other studies that detail how fire collapse was possible beside the NIST study.

Now. I want physical evidence of columns cut to initiate collapse.

You

Steel was manually removed by clean up workers, and by machinery, and loaded onto dump trucks, and went somewhere and after certain time, disappeared. This evidence should be accessible to engineers, but it is not, a crime that nobody was prosecuted for or lost their job over it.

Funny isn’t there documentation of steel failures and samples from WTC 7. Plus photo records of the steel?

And the major problem in that steel from WTC 7 had no ID marks from construction, making the mixed pile of buildings useless to try to map in a meaningful way?

Again...

The collapse of WTC 7 is on video. Show video evidence of columns being physical cut. Are the exterior columns not right at the WTC 7 windows and facade. But not a single piece of evidence of something cutting into the facade. No visible action in the windows. Not even the bright slow 3000 degree Fahrenheit fires of how many thermite charges burning in the CD fantasy.

The two engineering studies, provide their finite element analysis presentations? Otherwise what they have to say about this is irrelevant.

You keep steel for forensic investigations later. Unacceptable excuse, you can't locate it later, when the wtc7 site had tons of steel on 9/11. Another failure by you to see this crime.

Quote Another braindead comment. You just accepted the steel was not recovered!
Now. I want physical evidence of columns cut to initiate collapse.

a reply to: Jesushere

You

The two engineering studies, provide their finite element analysis presentations? Otherwise what they have to say about this is irrelevant.

What does that have to do with the studies showing the most likely cause of the witnesses failures? Especially in the context you have no evidence of cut columns initiating collapse.

Again...

The collapse of WTC 7 is on video. Show video evidence of columns being physical cut. Are the exterior columns not right at the WTC 7 windows and facade. But not a single piece of evidence of something cutting into the facade. No visible action in the windows. Not even the bright slow 3000 degree Fahrenheit fires of how many thermite charges burning in the CD fantas

On the WTC 7...

Limited Metallurgical Examination

www.fema.gov...

www.metabunk.org/did-nist-examine-steel-from-wtc7.t9083/
www.metabunk.org...

To state “no WTC 7 steel was examined” is not a truthful argument.

a reply to: Jesushere

And you are losing sight of this thread. WTC 5 shows that fire related collapse and failures of the steel were very possible.

Which is in contrast to the WTC 7 Evaluation that is trying to show fire related collapse was impossible by trying to model the sequence of collapse with no proof of what caused the actual failures.

I suggest you read through:

Hulsey presents research arguing WTC7 not brought down by fires/University of Alaska
www.internationalskeptics.com...


18th Anniversary: No Truth events planned?
www.internationalskeptics.com...

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

And you are losing sight of this thread. WTC 5 shows that fire related collapse and failures of the steel were very possible.

Which is in contrast to the WTC 7 Evaluation that is trying to show fire related collapse was impossible by trying to model the sequence of collapse with no proof of what caused the actual failures.

I suggest you read through:

Hulsey presents research arguing WTC7 not brought down by fires/University of Alaska
www.internationalskeptics.com...


18th Anniversary: No Truth events planned?
www.internationalskeptics.com...

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Hulsey 130 page study be out in a few hours today. Read it. It going to show everyone how the building came down.

a reply to: Jesushere

So it’s going to provide physical evidence of cut columns?

a reply to: Jesushere

WTC7 did not fall perfectly staight look here



Want to explain how about 5 floors of the base exterior cladding still link are on TOP of the debris pile.

It wasn't just fire a top to bottom rip was created by the N Tower collapse also a chunk about 7 stories high on south west corner.