Breaking: USS Boxer Destroys Iranian Drone

a reply to: CthruU

They aren't talking to the UAV, they are talking to the control station. The UAV is just a radio relay.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: CthruU

They aren't talking to the UAV, they are talking to the control station. The UAV is just a radio relay.

Yes ok cheers. I thought generally speaking communications where generally jammed between such weapons of opposing sides for obvious reasons.

But I'm oblivious so I'll accept that it just seemed like a fair question to the ill informed such as myself.

a reply to: CthruU

Jamming only happens in time of war, or if you have an unusual situation. Jamming something for no good reason does nothing but give away information to potential opponents and let them counter it when it really matters.

Iran is now saying that the US must have shot Down one of their own drones. Iran is not missing any drones they say.


This text is in Norwegian from a news Source called SOL. sol.no...

Vi har ikke mistet noen drone verken i Hormuzstredet eller andre steder. Jeg frykter at USS Boxer ved en feil kan ha skutt ned en av sine egne droner, tvitrer Araghchi.

Translated text:

We have not lost any drone either in Hormuzstredet or elsewhere. I fear that the USS Boxer may have accidentally shot down one of his own drones, argues Araghchi.

a reply to: spy66

Uh-huh.

The Iranians are not going to admit that they goofed. Get too close to a US Navy vessel in a sensitive area like this, and odds are fairly good you're going to get a face full of "back off".

In this instance, no one died--which is a very good thing in my books--yet a very profound message was sent.

**** with us, and die.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: CthruU

Jamming only happens in time of war, or if you have an unusual situation. Jamming something for no good reason does nothing but give away information to potential opponents and let them counter it when it really matters.

Roger that.

a reply to: spy66

They can't admit they lost a drone, business as usual.

Apparently, Iran are going to release the footage in the next hours ''proving Washington lies''
en.farsnews.com...

the IRGC issued a statement, and said it would release the footage recorded by its drone as it was flying over the US ship to prove the falsity of Washington’s claims.

“We will soon release the images and footage recorded by the IRGC Aerospace Force drone from the USS Boxer to expose Americans’ baseless claims to the public opinion of the world,” the public relations department of the IRGC announced today.

“The images will show that the drone of the IRGC’s Aerospace Force was conducting its routine mission in the region before the arrival of the American vessel at the Strait of Hormuz,” read the communique, adding that the drone sent images of its “monitoring and surveilling the aforementioned ship before and after the time that the Americans are claiming”.

The statement added that after recording the footage from the US warship, the drone returned to its base intact.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Funny how their initial statement did not include that. They said the US must have shot down it's own drone.

originally posted by: namehere

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein

originally posted by: roadgravel
Iran seems to have a problem understanding boundaries, my space, your space. The US navy is having to instruct them in the matter.

yeah, good point!

wish people would stop posting such nonsense sensationalist images that aren't even accurate, most of those bases were either abandoned or turned over to civilian control or iraqi/afghan military control, the few that remain would hardly be useful for an invasion.

the rest outside iraq and afghanistan are there to prevent war between iran and saudi arabia or to protect our smaller allies in the region from iran or saudi arabia invading them or getting other ideas.

It's just like the whole "the US has 800 (or 1000 or whatever the claimed number is now) overseas bases" narrative that gets slung around occasionally by the anti-military crowd. We don't. It's confusion caused by the government's naming conventions. For accounting purposes, any piece of land we own or administer overseas for military purposes gets counted as a "base," but it's not a base like Fort Bragg. A radio relay tower with a fence around it out in the middle of nowhere gets counted as a separate installation. But this information will be parroted by those who think we need to slash our military funding in favor of more free stuff programs.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

There's an app for that.
en.wikipedia.org...

Iranian footage released to dispute Trump’s claim. Footage Linked Here

Other sites with the same footage quickly move on to the tanker seizure with Trump still saying it there’s ‘no doubt’ that we ‘shot’ it down.

a reply to: CajunMetal

Some of the footage is from a helicopter. The only reason to do that is because the drone was gone.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Typical Iranian video doctoring and passing of another drones footage as the lost one.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: CajunMetal

Some of the footage is from a helicopter. The only reason to do that is because the drone was gone.

Why do you say its helicopter footage? The skids? If I'm not mistaken some Iranian drone models have them. See here

EDIT: the BBC video seems to have been replaced with a shorter video omitting the portion showing the skids. Here's another link with that portion. Skids

And even if some of it was helicopter footage do you think it's from the same time frame? If our official sources are to be believed there would've been a US helicopter side by side with the Iranian helicopter until it left. I don't see it in that footage directly over our ships.

a reply to: CajunMetal

Because it is clear it is from the helicopter that was reported in the area as well. Their evidence is we have footage showing the drone leaving the area so it can't have been shot down. That means they have video of the helicopter leaving. That means the logic behind their claim is invalid. There is no reason for the US to lie, Iran has plenty of reason.

But the pictures are inconclusive, says the BBC's diplomatic correspondent Paul Adams.

He says at least some of the images appear to have been filmed from an Iranian helicopter that was also on the scene.

According to a Wall Street Journal reporter on board the USS Boxer at the time, an Iranian Bell 212 helicopter was flying "yards away" from the vessel before being chased off by American helicopters.

Yeah that video doesn't prove anything that Iran claims it does.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Agit8dChop

Typical Iranian video doctoring and passing of another drones footage as the lost one.

So there were two drones that were very Close to that fleet of ships and the US only brought Down one of them…...Is that what you are saing?

a reply to: spy66

There was a Bell 212 helicopter in the area that was pushed out by an SH-60.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
Drones arent the threat the US needs to worry about in Hormuz. Its swarming, fast attack missile boats.

Modern day versions of WW2 era PT craft pose the same kind of threat to shipping and naval vessels.

100 of those racing towards an aircraft carrier, with anti ship missiles and suicidal IRGC officers will sink a carrier.

Drones are the least of the potential threats on offer. Any number of potential kamikaze weapons from manned anti shipping missiles to human torpedoes would make the current situation look tame in comparison.

Sure, ships defenses would sink quite a few... but not them all and the anti ship missiles are powerful.

An astute observation. The kamikaze weapons platforms that slip through naval defences would cause UN-imagined horrors. The horrors of oil tankers ablaze were last seen during the Battle of the Atlantic, and was immortalised in the film Das Boot (1981) (Watch the video up until about the 2.46 mark).

The US has always owned the skies since ww2.

The RAN and RNZN respectively suffer have Mine Clearance Warfare capability blind spots. Strangely, this is also reflected in the RAN's future Hunter-class frigates and Attack class (terrible name) submarines.