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SPLC has overly inflated statistics on white hate groups

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posted on May, 16 2019 @ 06:26 AM
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I've looked at the Southern Poverty Hate Center's web site many times in the last few years and I've noticed that there are a few groups that seem to keep growing even though they supposedly are not active. One of those is the "atomwaffen" which was/is supposedly a neo-nazi group that is intent on focusing on breaching nuclear facilities, stealing nuclear materials and other nuclear related "threats"/attacks/etc. I've watched a number of video's on this group and all the video's (usually made by liberal press like Vice) it is a very small group of people who connect over the Internet with very few in person meetings.

I checked the listing a couple months ago and it had the group listed 18 times, one listing per state they were in. I've read and seen reports that the SPHC takes listings like this where one member might account for 10 listings, b/c they are or have lived/been in 10 different states. They have used past addresses, parents residences, places they have lived for short periods and some have even reported that new listings appeared after making connections via a VPN based in another state (which means they are tracking internet usage somehow). IIRC even Vice admitted that this is a tiny group of people, and maybe mentioned 8-11 members nationwide (while interviewing active members).

Now, a month or 2 later from my last checking of SPHC, they list 28 active states with "Atomwaffen" threats. There is also a large state with a very large white population and every surrounding state (5 + the states next to them, so it's surrounded deeply by other states with "active" divisions) has an active group. Now IDK how this huge state wouldn't have a group if this was truly an actively spreading hate group.

I just checked wiki and it states 80 members and during a recent trial or hearing (for an assault on some Jewish person) the representative for the ADL even said they couldn't prove there were more than 24-30 members of the group.

This whole group seems very similar to what happened in the 90's with the FBI & ATF planting agents in militia's, with some militia's having more agents & informants than actual members! If you look at all the crimes committed by these kids in this group, they are all 18-20 years old, which, IMO, is the perfect age to brainwash dumb people looking for a cause and filling them with hate online & they are just old enough to buy a gun...

This is supposed to be some "elite" group of neo-nazi's but all these kids are 18-20? WTF? Who are the "elite" elders behind the scenes pulling the strings and feeding these kids with hate? I'll put a years pay check on it if you trace their IP (their REAL one) it would go back to either SPHC, FBI or ATF (or some other agency like that).

Look at this article on some snitch that tried to set up the group.

www.propublica.org...


Me thinks they are working hard to manufacture hatred in this country and unfortunately some very blind and lonely children are scooped up by some wolves (agents playing white nationalists?) and fed hate and resentment until they snap. I've seen similar in person but it wasn't race/hate entrapment but another kind so I know for sure it happens and is paid for by our tax $$.

Also take a look at the 11 second video on this page about the group. That seems like the most fake "hate" acting I've ever seen and I think this is just another example of someone being either totally faked or paid to be an informant and act like an extremeist.

www.thedailybeast.com...


These people join, agitate - act up, act more violent than others, promote more action/faster/more violent/etc, and report back to their handlers all with the cover of immunity. They are the people who talk the most smack in the groups usually, often the most vocal or violent. I wonder just how many "new makers" of the past 50+ years have been paid informants or agitators (basically snitches / CI's) in political groups from black panthers, weather underground, militia movements, BLM, etc.
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posted on May, 16 2019 @ 06:37 AM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof

The king in yellow walks among us.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
(usually made by liberal press like Vice)


Vice.is bull#. They straight up lie about things and make # up. Not just any #, they make up exaggerated fear mongering #. Their drug ones are really bad in particular. The ones on krocodile and datura were utterly ridiculous.
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posted on May, 16 2019 @ 08:38 AM
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This is one of the new narratives they're ramping up for 2020, how "white terrorism" is more dangerous than radical Islam and any other kind. I've mentioned this in multiple threads already. If you read these "studies" that purport to find that right-wingers, particularly white nationalists, are responsible for most of the terrorist attacks in the US, you'll find they use fundamentally flawed standards. They classify positions that are NOT specifically right-leaning as "right-wing" positions. For example, any actors that had anti-government attitudes are classified as right-leaning. Since when is anti-government attitudes exclusive to the right? Anti-establishment counter culture in America in the 60s and 70s was largely driven on the left. Antifa today is an anti-government organization that is exclusively left. The entire notion that anti-government attitudes are a feature of politically right individuals is asinine. So is automatically associating racism with the right.
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posted on May, 16 2019 @ 09:41 AM
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the thing you have to keep in mind is that the Southern Poverty Law Center is itself a racially motivated hate group. when you remember that things like this make a lot of sense. they overblow certain hate groups in order to cause fear and hate. it really is no different than a certain political party in Germany in the 30's and 40's doing the exact same type of thing against a certain religious/racial group as well as other racial groups/countries. it is called propaganda, and it works. and of course it makes sense that the democrats use this group to help spread the fear and hate, since they follow so much else of what that German political group did.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: generik




it is called propaganda, and it works. and of course it makes sense that the democrats use this group to help spread the fear and hate, since they follow so much else of what that German political group did.


Odd that you would say that being as how Nazi Germany was a white nationalist fascist moment; Especially that the democrats are much more racially diverse than the GOP.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: generik




it is called propaganda, and it works. and of course it makes sense that the democrats use this group to help spread the fear and hate, since they follow so much else of what that German political group did.


Odd that you would say that being as how Nazi Germany was a white nationalist fascist moment; Especially that the democrats are much more racially diverse than the GOP.


There's a difference between racial diversity and actually supporting and valuing minorities. The Democrats do neither. They invent fake issues like claiming that requiring voter ID is "racist" to trick simpletons like yourself into virtue signaling your way to a vote for them. By the way, two old white men are leading the polling to get your diverse nomination.

Once you get past the false premise that GOP=racist, Democrats have much more in common with the Nazis than the Republicans do. Authoritarian policies, socialism, silencing dissent through violence or threat of imprisonment.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 10:53 AM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: generik




it is called propaganda, and it works. and of course it makes sense that the democrats use this group to help spread the fear and hate, since they follow so much else of what that German political group did.


Odd that you would say that being as how Nazi Germany was a white nationalist fascist moment; Especially that the democrats are much more racially diverse than the GOP.


There's a difference between racial diversity and actually supporting and valuing minorities. The Democrats do neither. They invent fake issues like claiming that requiring voter ID is "racist" to trick simpletons like yourself into virtue signaling your way to a vote for them. By the way, two old white men are leading the polling to get your diverse nomination.

Once you get past the false premise that GOP=racist, Democrats have much more in common with the Nazis than the Republicans do. Authoritarian policies, socialism, silencing dissent through violence or threat of imprisonment.


I know the Republican talking points. I worked for the GOP media section during the last presidential election.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: face23785

There's a difference between racial diversity and actually supporting and valuing minorities. The Democrats do neither.


Well where is the GOP black American candidate for president then, will it be this century or next?



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: generik




it is called propaganda, and it works. and of course it makes sense that the democrats use this group to help spread the fear and hate, since they follow so much else of what that German political group did.


Odd that you would say that being as how Nazi Germany was a white nationalist fascist moment; Especially that the democrats are much more racially diverse than the GOP.


There's a difference between racial diversity and actually supporting and valuing minorities. The Democrats do neither. They invent fake issues like claiming that requiring voter ID is "racist" to trick simpletons like yourself into virtue signaling your way to a vote for them. By the way, two old white men are leading the polling to get your diverse nomination.

Once you get past the false premise that GOP=racist, Democrats have much more in common with the Nazis than the Republicans do. Authoritarian policies, socialism, silencing dissent through violence or threat of imprisonment.


I know the Republican talking points. I worked for the GOP media section during the last presidential election.


I like how you didn't dispute anything I just said.



originally posted by: UpIsNowDown

originally posted by: face23785

There's a difference between racial diversity and actually supporting and valuing minorities. The Democrats do neither.


Well where is the GOP black American candidate for president then, will it be this century or next?



This election cycle, when there's an incumbent President? Or last cycle, where the GOP had a black man and two Hispanics and the Democrats had 3 old white people?

Obama was an anomaly. The party didn't even want him, they wanted Clinton. Ya know, the chick that admires Robert Byrd. Dems have done precisely nothing for minorities. Every place that has had Dem leadership for decades, pick a city, minorities are doing terrible.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 11:24 AM
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It almost seems that the group you are discussing is a plant by our government agencies to try to find radical people who might cause hate crimes. They do make some sites for those kind of things and for finding child porn people.

I have stumbled upon a few sites like that over the years, checking out if these white supremacist sites really exist. I read a few of the posts and some of their stuff on them but I just wanted to know what white supremacists were saying. I suppose I am on some FBI watch list for looking at their site. I saw some pretty bad hate language on one of those sites, I wouldn't think that people would be saying stuff like that in a public forum, I would think maybe chat between these people might have things like that in them but not open posts, it would draw lots of attention from law enforcement you would think.

If they are talking like that, they aren't all that smart, even with the made up names, a good computer person could find their location.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
It almost seems that the group you are discussing is a plant by our government agencies to try to find radical people who might cause hate crimes. They do make some sites for those kind of things and for finding child porn people.

I have stumbled upon a few sites like that over the years, checking out if these white supremacist sites really exist. I read a few of the posts and some of their stuff on them but I just wanted to know what white supremacists were saying. I suppose I am on some FBI watch list for looking at their site. I saw some pretty bad hate language on one of those sites, I wouldn't think that people would be saying stuff like that in a public forum, I would think maybe chat between these people might have things like that in them but not open posts, it would draw lots of attention from law enforcement you would think.

If they are talking like that, they aren't all that smart, even with the made up names, a good computer person could find their location.


Most of them are cowards anyway. They'll talk all kinds of # but they don't have it in them to lynch anyone, thank God. Racism is dying in this country, but some people make a lot of money off of it and are desperately trying to keep those divisions alive.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: rickymouse
It almost seems that the group you are discussing is a plant by our government agencies to try to find radical people who might cause hate crimes. They do make some sites for those kind of things and for finding child porn people.

I have stumbled upon a few sites like that over the years, checking out if these white supremacist sites really exist. I read a few of the posts and some of their stuff on them but I just wanted to know what white supremacists were saying. I suppose I am on some FBI watch list for looking at their site. I saw some pretty bad hate language on one of those sites, I wouldn't think that people would be saying stuff like that in a public forum, I would think maybe chat between these people might have things like that in them but not open posts, it would draw lots of attention from law enforcement you would think.

If they are talking like that, they aren't all that smart, even with the made up names, a good computer person could find their location.


Most of them are cowards anyway. They'll talk all kinds of # but they don't have it in them to lynch anyone, thank God. Racism is dying in this country, but some people make a lot of money off of it and are desperately trying to keep those divisions alive.


I think you hit the nail on the head, it is profitable to keep racism up.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: rickymouse
It almost seems that the group you are discussing is a plant by our government agencies to try to find radical people who might cause hate crimes. They do make some sites for those kind of things and for finding child porn people.

I have stumbled upon a few sites like that over the years, checking out if these white supremacist sites really exist. I read a few of the posts and some of their stuff on them but I just wanted to know what white supremacists were saying. I suppose I am on some FBI watch list for looking at their site. I saw some pretty bad hate language on one of those sites, I wouldn't think that people would be saying stuff like that in a public forum, I would think maybe chat between these people might have things like that in them but not open posts, it would draw lots of attention from law enforcement you would think.

If they are talking like that, they aren't all that smart, even with the made up names, a good computer person could find their location.


Most of them are cowards anyway. They'll talk all kinds of # but they don't have it in them to lynch anyone, thank God. Racism is dying in this country, but some people make a lot of money off of it and are desperately trying to keep those divisions alive.


I think you hit the nail on the head, it is profitable to keep racism up.


Of course it is. I didn't think what I was saying was news to anyone, some people just like to deny it because it's easy votes and money for their side. Same with women. Women have the same rights as men, can do anything men can and then some, but ya gotta keep em feeling like victims so they'll vote for you. The thing is, the folks who try to pretend this isn't what's going on are the real minorities. Victim mining plays well in their little circles, but more and more everyday Americans are waking up to it. #blexit is real, and these idiots think it's 99.9% Russian trolls. Boy are they gonna be surprised.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: UpIsNowDown

originally posted by: face23785

There's a difference between racial diversity and actually supporting and valuing minorities. The Democrats do neither.


Well where is the GOP black American candidate for president then, will it be this century or next?


Ben Carson
Thank you for confirming to us the left identifies skin color with political association so much you actually thought there hasn't been black GOP candidates.

Did you vote last election?
And you apparently didn't know all the candidates?
Interesting...



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 01:45 PM
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Thus their purpose a reply to: DigginFoTroof



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown

originally posted by: face23785

There's a difference between racial diversity and actually supporting and valuing minorities. The Democrats do neither.


Well where is the GOP black American candidate for president then, will it be this century or next?


Ben Carson
Thank you for confirming to us the left identifies skin color with political association so much you actually thought there hasn't been black GOP candidates.

Did you vote last election?
And you apparently didn't know all the candidates?
Interesting...


Interesting fact: Democrats didn't elect a black candidate to Senate until 1993. Republicans had already had 3 by then. Even if you believe the ridiculous "the parties switched" excuse for all the Democrat racism earlier in the 20th century, what took them so long after that?

It's all a show. All they care about is your vote.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 03:19 PM
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Impossible Atom Waffles are every whar.

Just ask that one poster.



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