Biological Man Identifies as a Woman But Plays a Man as the First Transgender Lead in U.S. Opera

This is just confusing ...

I did not put this in a place like the Mud Pit because this isn't meant to be a discussion on the relative merits of transgenderism as a whole.

I just don't understand how we do this. How do you take a man, let him identify as a woman, and then when s/he auditions for a male role in an opera, praise her for being the first woman to play a male role?

Although Lucas identifies as a woman, he plays a man, singing the baritone role of Don Giovanni.

And especially how do you get away with it when the role is a baritone?!

I mean this is a perfect example of biology. Lucas has this voice because of biological sex differences. The XY chromosomes gave her(?) that powerful baritone everyone is gushing over.

This case is illustrative — not just because it is a transgender "first." Lucas identifies as a woman, but he still has the male biology that led him through puberty and gave him a deep voice. This is a clear case of biology — from his X and Y chromosomes in every cell of his body to the hormones that led him to develop masculine features — winning out over transgender identity.

And how do you praise what is basically a man for playing a man? I know she identifies as a woman, but it's not like this is a stretch for her. She has the male voice thanks to her biology.

Oh, and the role she's playing is a womanizer.

Not only that, but praising this is forgetting Shakespearean times when all actors on stage were men, regardless of role.

Insanity is coming full circle. This is a prime example of why so many people bend a problem with the gender confused.

**Opens junk drawer**

**Digs around frantically**

AHH, here it is....

HONK HONK

a reply to: ketsuko


Is he also a lesbian?

a reply to: ketsuko

Just... wha?

~blink~

I think tomorrow I am going to work as a Golden Dragon.

If everyone else gets away with this sh!t I want my moment of insanity too.

~ROAR!!!~

a reply to: MisterSpock

In our enlightened age, I don't understand why some people still store live geese in their junk drawers.

a reply to: MisterSpock
I was not expecting that at all, I literally laughed out loud at that one!

Spell sports backwards and you get your true answer.

by the way what would your answers be

originally posted by: watchitburn

I thought about that right away too.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: ketsuko


Is he also a lesbian?

Now.... That made me laugh. Cause I'm a guy and I have an inner faux lesbian lol (munch munch, say no more)

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: ketsuko

He / she should try playing the role of a sane person.

Now that would be impressive! 😉

a reply to: 4891morfih

It's just crazy. It would be like Dustin Hoffman decided to play Dorothy Michaels and then auditioned to play Raymond Babbitt while in character as Dorothy and earned the part, so we laud him as the first woman to play a male lead in a movie.

a reply to: ketsuko

How many female roles has this "woman" ever played?
Yep, that's what I thought.
There's your sign...

a reply to: ketsuko
Nothing makes sense in this world. Sometimes I feel like I'm in some weird parallel universe.

a reply to: new_here

Probably as many as require a baritone singing voice.

originally posted by: MisterSpock
**Opens junk drawer**

**Digs around frantically**

AHH, here it is....

HONK HONK

I was born too late to explore the world...
I was born too early to explore the galaxy...
I was born just in time to *HONK*

He...looka like a man...

This is the 21st century version of being a Castrato... that's all. Maybe Farinelli would have went back and forth had the options of conversion were available?

This debate is likely much similar to the one's in the days of ole... where people were blown away that some males removed or was forced to remove their testicles before puberty to retain desired pitches that would naturally change when one matured.

Perhaps conversion technologies made possible by science in this day and age seem a simpler option than full on removal of reproductive organs? Perhaps it's the likely legal ramifications of castrating a child? I am certainly not going to let another's level of confusion dictate my level of confusion... that's for sure.

I can't say that vocal equality standards cause any more confusion with me than the chameleon singer(s) experiences themselves. It's the dude that gave birth the other day that freaks me out...

a reply to: ketsuko

so what - if i had tickets for the opera in question - i would be more concerend with talent than genitals