The Mueller report for all of us to see

a reply to: projectvxn
a reply to: burntheships

Did this go over your heads ?

“The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law,” the report reads.

Once again, this is Mueller's finding, not mine, not an opinion piece

the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office

Naturally enough, the Supine Lillylivered congress
won't be good for anything

originally posted by: knoxie
there's NO DOUBT he was desperate to stop the investigation.

why?

he was asking his aides to do things they were unwilling to do - that's insane. lol

Why? Because he was innocent....and it was interfering with his ability to do the job he was legally voted into office to perform.

DUH!!

Only those with a guilty conscience or hatred in their heart would assume it was for nefarious reasons.

Otherwise, I would ask you why YOU are so invested in this? Do you have something to hide too? I bet you do....a big secret.

originally posted by: Cassi3l
a reply to: projectvxn
a reply to: burntheships

Did this go over your heads ?

“The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law,” the report reads.

Once again, this is Mueller's finding, not mine, not an opinion piece

the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office

Naturally enough, the Supine Lillylivered congress
won't be good for anything

Isn't that merely a statement of fact on how the system is setup to work. The Congress does have the ability to apply obstruction laws to a president found to have used his powers for corrupt purposes. However, this report clearly states that is not the case.

a reply to: Cassi3l

LOL, a quote from MOTHER JONES.

You forgot your link, wonder why? Trying to make it
look like that was a direct quote from the report itself,
which it is NOT.

Tsk tsk tsk

Shaking my head.....

a reply to: Cassi3l

Yes that quote is saying that there is an argument that conress can enforce obstruction laws on the president.

That has nothing to do with Muellers findings.

Mueller did not find enough evidence to recomend charges against Trump.

Meanwhile, as the media and dems try to sin this, they ignore they lied for two years about russian collusion.

a reply to: Krakatoa

“ If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,” the report continues. “However, we are unable to reach that judgment.

Did you miss that too ?

a reply to: Grambler
It's part of the Mueller conclusion

originally posted by: Cassi3l
a reply to: Krakatoa

“ If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,” the report continues. “However, we are unable to reach that judgment.

Did you miss that too ?

Did you forget that people in this country are INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY in a court? They found no evidence that he was guilty because the actions that were suspicious had innocent and legal reasons as well. So, they could not declare his intent was for nefarious reasons, and therefore, were unable to reach that judgement.

Or did you miss that aspect of the report?

a reply to: Grambler
a reply to: burntheships

Ohh, guys, i'm soooo sorry to be bubble breaking
would you rather that i use Fox talking points ?
Would that make it easier for you all to take on board?

re-post from earlier, since you've all missed it

11 instances of potential obstruction

...among the episodes of the president’s conduct that Mueller investigated as potential obstructions of justice were:

Trump’s efforts to fire Mueller.
Trump’s firing of former FBI director James Comey.
Trump’s efforts to hijack oversight of the Mueller investigation.
Trump’s order to the White House counsel, Donald McGahn, to deny that Trump had tried to fire Mueller.
Trump’s conduct with regard to associates who have pleaded guilty to crimes including Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen.

Trump’s “repeated efforts to get McGahn to create a record denying that the President had directed him to remove the special counsel” are held up for special scrutiny. Trump told McGahn twice to order the deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein, to fire Mueller, McGahn told Mueller.

“McGahn recalled the president telling him ‘Mueller has to go” and ‘Call me back when you do it’,” the report says.

“If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,” the report continues. “However, we are unable to reach that judgment.

“The President’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests,” the report says.

That would be the "Adults in the room" Open Ed from last year...

While the Mueller report declines to recommend a prosecution by the justice department, Mueller noted that Congress might do so.

“The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law,” the report reads.

^ In black and white ^

Congress should be petitioned to act in the nation's interest
Hold Trump to the same standard as Clinton

a reply to: jimmyx

The known Hillary emails were all posted by The State Department.

The FBI recovered most deleted emails in 2015.

Unless you can show otherwise 😎

originally posted by: vinifalou
a reply to: Grambler

At this point all they can do is stall until the elections.

Thats not all they can do

originally posted by: Cassi3l

Congress should be petitioned to act in the nation's interest
Hold Trump to the same standard as Clinton

"Hold Trump to the same standard as Clinton".

You cant be serious! Gasp!

Then again, maybe your so deluded you have lost
track of the facts....

You realize what that would entail, that the entire
upper echelons of the FBI and DOJ would be conspiring
to let President Trump off the hook ?

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: Sookiechacha

When one strongly hold an opinion without strong evidence ignoring any and all evidence to the contrary, it really only says something about the person holding the opinion.

trump asks russia for....Hillary e-mails
days later....Hillary's e-mails published
benefit for trump....elected
payback to Russia...lifting of sanctions

this isn't an OPINION, this is what happened publicly in real time......

oh...and Helsinki for treason...publically admitting to the televised world with putin standing next to him, that he believes and trusts the former KGB officer rather than the entire American intel community and the thousands of patriots who work to serve our country.

No - Hillary's emails were never published, only more podesta emails. Trump never got what he asked for.

The number of people who read the emails that were released by Wikileaks were minimal. The amount of reporting on them was almost non existent, because they made the media's chosen candidate and party look bad, because the main revelation was Hillary rigged the Democrat primary.

They did not change the results of the election. If you think that you are just wrong.

originally posted by: knoxie
there's NO DOUBT he was desperate to stop the investigation.

why?

he was asking his aides to do things they were unwilling to do - that's insane. lol

It's not insane. He is not a lawyer, he does not even know what is legal and what isn't. You don't know till you ask your lawyer to do something.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JBurns

Regardless, the findings were clearly stated: "No evidence of a conspiracy involving Trump working with the Russians" "No evidence to support obstruction of justice"

That's not what the Mueller report says. There are 400 plus pages of evidence, so the claim of "no evidence" is ridiculous. The evidence didn't conclude that an agreement of collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russia occurred. It didn't exonerate anyone. It certainly didn't clear Trump of obstruction. Mueller kicked that football to Congress.

Mueller said specifically he did not exonerate Trump[ on obstruction.

He did not say that on collusion, which we can take to mean, after reading his report; There was no trump russian illegal collusion

Collussion can mean a many many things,but if their is no crime found then it is just collusion.Seems to me the Democrats and Republicans are colluding with each other every day.....Their crime is breaking an oath to U.S. Constitution..

a reply to: burntheships

maybe your so deluded you have lost track of the facts....

Already !!!!

You forgot to add that i'm suffering from Trump Dipstick Syndrome
But that'll be along soon too... 3,2,1...

originally posted by: Cassi3l
a reply to: burntheships

maybe your so deluded you have lost track of the facts....

Already !!!!

You forgot to add that i'm suffering from Trump Dipstick Syndrome
But that'll be along soon too... 3,2,1...

But Mueller stated he was free at all times to conduct his investigation. So what are we charging Trump with? Intent to obstruct when there wasn't any obstruction?

So the Dems plan is really to keep this going on and on until they impeach. Gah our government is completely broken

a reply to: Cassi3l

Nice try at deflecting.

Once again, you said

originally posted by: Cassi3l

Congress should be petitioned to act in the nation's interest
Hold Trump to the same standard as Clinton

Hold Trump to the same standard as Clinton?

Slip of the tongue, or did you forget that all
of the people who were fired and resigned
for letting her off the hook?

Leaking to the media? Lying to superiors,
etc all to let her off the hook?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

However, Trump was not charged with obstruction of justice

For the record, what happened to Bill Clinton was dumb as it gets and an unrequited gift to Dem party by overzealous Republicans

Clinton should have told the truth, but there were far more serious lies being told by government than his private interactions with a staffer

Beyond that, all the arguing in the world is a moot point because as you yourself and the report points out he wasn't charged. Nor was he charged under either of the conspiracy statutes

This Russiahoax BS has tore this country apart. We are a divided nation unlike anything in the last 150 years and it is only spiraling further out of control. When do we reach the point of no return? Have we already reached it? How are those doubling down on these unsupported assertions going to help the country? If Russia really did have a goal to destabilize the country, it seems this nonsense has done a far better job of it than any sort of ridiculous social media trolling every could

Who the heck believes what they read on those tabloid-esque garbage dumps of information anyhow? Vermin social media is a disease in my personal opinion. Hardly a surprise this country's enemies - foreign and domestic - are exploiting those dumping grounds of information to their own ends. But peddling unsustainable rumors and opinions at this point is disingenuous and harmful at best, at worst it will be a catalyst to a 21st century civil war and the break-up of the World's most powerful and prosperous nation

Continuing to peddle this BS isn't going to result in the end of Trump's Presidency. Much like the morons who impeached Clinton this will only embolden him (and us, for that matter) and hand us the 2020 election which is already looking favorably (from the money raised to the President's numbers going unchanged and historical advantages of an incumbent) why continue to waste time on this obvious hoax?

I don't blame Dem voters in the sense I don't believe [most] of you all set out to peddle a knowingly false narrative to divide the country. But there can be no denying this is indeed the effect it is having and all the tangible evidence says there just is "no there, there"

Even if you believe its true, at what point do you accept that if two major FBI/SCO investigations and numerous congressional inquiries fail to uncover enough evidence to overcome the threshold of criminal charges that there just isn't anything to be found? At some point you all need to move on from 2016 and stop dwelling on Clinton. You ran a protest candidate over viable candidates coming off the Obama Presidency that should have by all appearances been an easy win. But alas, from the minute Dems lied about Bernie supported "throwing chairs, becoming violent" at the NV convention it was plain to see there was trouble in paradise. Now you have actual elected officials flirting with socialism, proposing bills that infringe on our rights (green new deal, among many others) and providing cover for all manner of evil acts (from antifa violence, to hate-crime hoaxes to anti-semitism and supporting illegal immigration/open borders, abolishing ICE and every other retarded position imaginable)

Please, wake up!

a reply to: Cassi3l

Do you believe Mueller's team, his grand jury, Bob Mueller himself, Rosenstein and Barr are all part of some conspiracy to suppress the really-real evidence of a conspiracy? What possible motivation could they have?

It isn't "brand loyalty" - Mike Pence is a Republican all the same. Trump has brow beaten half the people mentioned above now don't you think if there was enough evidence to task him to task that Mueller would've gladly done so?

My advice is turn off that hack Rachel Maddow who farms you, your party and your outrage for donations and ratings.

Open your eyes, this narrative died on 3/24 and pushing for the release of this report was a giant mistake. There's nothing there, and it simply demonstrates beyond any doubt Madcow was wrong again... there is nothing "between the lines" this isn't some 4D chess game and Trump's presidency did not and will not end as a result of this. Mueller was a bust, you wasted the last 2 years on nothing and *you* and others like you divided this country and destroyed our institutions over NOTHING

One. Big. Nothing. Burger.

The only bright side is now this is all in the open we can pursue those responsible with renewed vigor and resolve. To hold them fully & personally accountable for this treason will be the high mark - in my opinion - of the Trump Presidency.