Did Iowa Rep. Steve King Lament the Loss of White Nationalism?

originally posted by: XAnarchistX

I knew this topic would start exposing some people

All it's done is expose who is for and who is against free expression.

originally posted by: soundguy
He’s a racist, pure and simple.

What exactly did he say that was racist?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: XAnarchistX

I knew this topic would start exposing some people

All it's done is expose who is for and who is against free expression.

I don't think I have seen many posts here calling for the suppression of free expression. I do see some posts that are responding to free some expression. I guess some folks want all the rights and privileges embodied in free expression, but don't like the responsibility of owning up to that free expression. Now which group of folks are always calling for responsibility for one's actions? Can anyone help me out here?

Free speech and expression is vital to a free society. Even repulsive speech. In Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969, the court declared that even inflammatory speech, such as racist language by a leader of the Ku Klux Klan, should generally be protected unless it is likely to cause imminent violence. OK, that is settled.

Free speech also allows for a "marketplace of ideas," that allows for differing points of view. In the case of the KKK, they usually get plenty of counter arguments, and even public shaming for their repulsive views. Fine, I say. They own it.

Don't want to be shunned by your neighbors, community or country? Well, you have to figure that out for yourself. If you feel strongly enough, speak out. I'm am sure the first abolitionists didn't have it easy, especially down south. Most people ( note I said most) now think that they were right.

a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

So you're for free expression.

And the punishment of someone when they express something you don't like.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Tempter

"White nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which holds the belief that white people are a race and seeks to develop and maintain a white national identity. Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation"


"They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries"


Amusing you all want a "White Ethnostate" on non-white land you had to genocide to occupy

What do you think about Israel? Don't they have an ethnostate? How about Africa, should the blacks get out? Do you think the Chinese have any right to their land? Whether the same color or different color, everyone got their land from someone else. Maybe the Spanish should get out of South America. Or does this only apply to white people?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

So you're for free expression.

And the punishment of someone when they express something you don't like.

Never said punish. Please don't twist my words with a simplistic one-line rebuttal that does neither justice nor honor to the complex issue of free expression. Millions of words have been written by thoughtful people who honestly tried to resolve the complexities of freedom of speech, and for you to trivialize their efforts, not to mention the brave folks who fought to uphold such a noble right, is frankly less than worth of respect.

The fact that you seem to be doing so to gain "points" during an internet discussion reeks of demagoguery, pandering, and outright dishonesty. Not to mention a real aversion to having a productive and reasonable discussion that offers some semblance of propriety.

Good day sir.

a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

"Am I white enough to pass?"

I guess there's one in every crowd. You seem to hate your own heritage. But then. I don't understand Sweden either.

originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey
a reply to: Metallicus

homogenous European populations

No basis in science. There have been migrations in and out of Europe by thousands of ethic groups for the last 40,000 years, and that included mating with other Homo species (Homo Neanderthals, Denisovans). !0,000 years ago the entire population had black skin. Check out some of the advances made in genetics and archaeology. Do some science research. There is no "master Race" in Europe.

Come into the 21st century. It is nice and warm and factual in here.

No one cares about what happened 40,000 years ago or even 10,000 years ago. What King was talking about was Western Civilization which is primarily based upon European culture. To say a population is racially homogeneous does not mean they are all clones. They are mostly white but not all of the same ethnic group. Certainly all alike enough to distinguish them from the African blacks and Chinese. I know Africa is not pure 100% black and there are wide genetic differences but to say Europe cannot be characterized as white is just stupid. As stupid as to say Africa is not black.

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

"Am I white enough to pass?"

I guess there's one in every crowd. You seem to hate your own heritage. But then. I don't understand Sweden either.

Anything to get you through the day, I guess.

hate your own heritage

My heritage and culture comes from the United States. Minnesota and rural Pennsylvania mostly. I am an American. I do eat pickled herring, and enjoy the Northern woods of north America, which are pretty similar to parts of Norway, Sweden and Finland, and am pretty good with at fishing.
So your go to when someone does not agree with "White Nationalism" is to call the person a self-hater? That is so lame, so old, and so tired that I am surprised you trotted that gem out of the mothballs. What is next? "Traitor to my race?" I know where I have heard that before.

a reply to: soundguy

Just for future reference, this what I read...

"He’s a racist, blah blah blah blah I'm a real racist blah blah blah blah blahdity-blah blah..."

TheRedneck

a reply to: Propagandalf

I wouldn't bother reminding yourself. Much more often than not, the only racist is the accuser. I just go with that.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey
a reply to: Metallicus

homogenous European populations

No basis in science. There have been migrations in and out of Europe by thousands of ethic groups for the last 40,000 years, and that included mating with other Homo species (Homo Neanderthals, Denisovans). !0,000 years ago the entire population had black skin. Check out some of the advances made in genetics and archaeology. Do some science research. There is no "master Race" in Europe.

Come into the 21st century. It is nice and warm and factual in here.

No one cares about what happened 40,000 years ago or even 10,000 years ago. What King was talking about was Western Civilization which is primarily based upon European culture. To say a population is racially homogeneous does not mean they are all clones. They are mostly white but not all of the same ethnic group. Certainly all alike enough to distinguish them from the African blacks and Chinese. I know Africa is not pure 100% black and there are wide genetic differences but to say Europe cannot be characterized as white is just stupid. As stupid as to say Africa is not black.

Then how far back is it safe to go, before we get to a pure "white" race of Europeans? 5,000 years? 2,000 years? 1,000 years? You know I can demonstrate (google is your friend) large ethnic migrations into Europe for all of those periods. When exactly did Europeans get to their current state of ethnic purity and "whiteness?"

a reply to: toms54

Yeah, Israel does have an Ethnostate, that should be destroyed as well... black nationalism, any kind of "Nationalism" is Toxic and should be destroyed

colonialism and creating an Ethnostate are not the same thing, calling for an ethnostate is supporting the idea of getting rid of everyone not with your skin colour/ethnicity


"Colonialism is the policy of a polity seeking to extend or retain its authority over other people or territories"


these are not the same things

a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

I am not saying Europeans are "ethnically pure." In fact I said, "They are mostly white but not all of the same ethnic group."

Further, it is possible to distinguish Europe from other white populations because of the culture. You see everything too much in terms of race.

As for when do you get to the point where you can call Europe white, that would be the point where you can distinguish the European from the black African or the Chinese by looking at them.

You are so lost in your racial arguments that you are not even making sense anymore.

a reply to: toms54
Seems to me you are the one hung up on "race."

As for when do you get to the point where you can call Europe white, that would be the point where you can distinguish the European from the black African or the Chinese by looking at them.

So a person of Asian or African descent, who is raised from birth in Europe is not European, and you can tell that by looking at them? Wow. Those powers are almost worthy of a Marvel Comics super hero. Or at least some sort of comical designation.

ETA:
What about ashkenazi jews? Can you spot them by eyeballing them? Are they European? They have only been in Europe going back to at least 8oo AD. What about all the the European descendants of Attila the Hun from the 4th century. Weren't they Asian folks? Can you eyeball them? Are they Europeans? What about the European descendants of the Mongol invasion in the 1300's. They were Asians too. Can you spot they with your comic book powerful eyes?

a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

There are plenty of white people in Asia. In so far as they live in Asia and don't adhere to European culture, I would not call them European. Common sense.

People of Asian or African descent might live in Europe. Plenty do but I would say although they are now European, they are not of the stock that Western Civilization sprang from. I might not consider them white but I don't see anything wrong with them being there as long as they are not attempting to destroy the prevailing culture. If a million move there in one year and are granted citizenship then start raping the inhabitants and try to change areas into no go zones where they attack police and firefighters and refuse to follow the laws, I would not consider them European even if they are legally citizens. Common sense.

To a person that has not had much experience with Jews and does not know they might not identify as white, most Jewish people appear white so they are regarded as white. The only reason they are not white is when they don't identify as white. If they did not have this culture, they would be considered white. It is not to me to determine what color the Jews are. They are considered different because they themselves demand it. Many pass for white, change their names, and try to blend in. Some Jews do see themselves as white. If you want to know about Jews, don't ask me, ask the Jews. Common sense.

Many of these different ethnic groups do have distinctive characteristics. That is just common sense. One minute diversity is our strength then the next there is no race. Which is it?

Please try not to get hysterical.

a reply to: toms54

I really, really, really enjoyed your last response. I am sure others enjoyed it also.
I will try not to get hysterical
You have yourself a fine evening, hear?
Thanks buddy!

a reply to: Propagandalf

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originally posted by: Metallicus
There is nothing wrong with White Nationalism. There are any number of enthnicslly homogenous populations throughout the world in many countries. The issue is that the Globalists don’t want homogenous European populations to be able to defend themselves from global destruction as they are trying to bring down Western civilization. Therefore, you must attach negativity to the very idea.

I attach negativity to anyone who wants to make my country ethnically homogeneous regardless of what ethnicity that is

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

So you're for free expression.

And the punishment of someone when they express something you don't like.

Define what you mean by punishment?

Censure?

Because if you are arguing that a congressman should never be censured for their words no matter how hateful or bigoted, I disagree strongly