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How to save Brexit - Australian (former PM) Tony Abbot. The time has come..

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posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 05:39 PM
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originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Were the citizens of the UK actually worse off because of the EU, or were they participants in a larger and assured economy?

Nationalism, that underscores what the Brexit deal is about, has historically turned out bad for the citizenry. The power, stability and rights of a larger base of people, economically, morally and politically, is worthwhile.

Nationalism with all its flag waving 'us and them' mentality is ultimately stupid. Country borders are, and always have been, entirely arbitrary.


Ok so can we say you are for Communism or not?

You are sure not for free peoples getting to decide their own fate.


I'm a fairly entrenched capitalist but I also think that you can go too far that way, too.

I'd like to think that I'm somewhere in the middle, conservative but compassionate.

People already do decide their own fate, to a certain extent, even under communist regimes. You have to ask yourself if crimes (such as suicide and theft) are a valid and acceptable modes of self expression. Some might say it is dictatorial to prosecute crime. I'd say it is an issue of overall public survivability and responsibility of government for the common good. That isn't communism, that's common sense.

I think the mistake that too many make, is to filter the world between two extremist views. It isn't either/or. The truth is, there is far more middle than there is ends.

Do you think a one world gov run by the old Oligarchy is going to work?


Good heavens no!

Politicians aren't in control, it is too chaotic. To give them more stuff to handle would be overload.


As a one on the middle I would normally agree but this reply defies that you're thoughts shared are consistently against freedoms. We all have to reflect inwardly that there is a "New World Order" that has announced it's plan and is following thru with it. I for one see it as a chance for the already evil to gain even more tyrannical power.


Yeah, but the custodians of the 'new world order' are largely ageing nincompoops. They keep kicking the bucket all the time and nobody wants them around, really.





posted on Dec, 21 2018 @ 12:21 PM
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I'd like to think that I'm somewhere in the middle, conservative but compassionate.


That's a stance which I like to refer to as 'conservative with a small 'c''..! I'm in roughly the same position. The lack of compassion is what angers me most about the Conservative party. I'm a disabled citizen, and sadly I'm unable to work in a normal work environment of any sort due to severe chronic neuropathic pain affecting my whole body (it's like the 'agoniser' automated torture booths in the revamped Star Trek series on Netflix - constant pain flaring & zapping the body whether moving or at rest...) Being disabled, and yet holding conservative values, is a rabbit hole paradox of fear & uncertainty. Looking at the poor souls here in the UK who have been denied access to Universal Credit where they are literally entitled to it, seeing mums who work as nurses queuing up at food banks with babies in prams - the whole thing is #ing disgraceful. For the sake of a tiny minority who seek to abuse the system, the vast majority of legitimate claimants are being penalised in the most inhumane manner.

Throwing a billion quid at the DUP literally overnight in order to get a handful of votes (10) in the commons, yet unwilling to fix the welfare system (which would cost roughly the same amount). Expecting charities to pick up the slack when it's most definitely entirely their responsibility to make sure the destitute & the working poor are cared for; to make sure that employers pay living wages; to make sure job security is available for the young (they won't forget the ignominy of having the zero-hours contract* culture foisted upon them as a 'solution' to their student debt, leaving them unable to move out of the parents' home, evicted repeatedly for having no money to pay the rent) - not to mention the hellish difficulty in securing a mortgage, even if they're in reasonable employment..

*slavery at the whim of capricious profit whores.

That's why I can never vote Conservative, even though I hold 'conservative with a small 'c'' values. I'm in a sort of no-mans land as a result, and so might end up voting Liberal Democrat as the least worst option in terms of moral choice.. As I say though, I even feel that we can tolerate a term with Labour in government, simply to fix the injustices brought on by Cameron & May over the past eight years.. Tighten our belts across the classes, make sure that the scandal of youth homelessness is utterly resolved - by fixing the deep problems I've described above (rather than sticking a band-aid over the problem, as with the recent promise of a few homeless shelters to be built in the bigger cities - a disgraceful attitude, yet again).

"Conservative with Compassion" should be the campaign slogan of a splinter party - they would probably gain seats.



edit on DecemberFriday18012CST12America/Chicago-060023 by FlyInTheOintment because: correction



posted on Dec, 21 2018 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: chr0naut


I'd like to think that I'm somewhere in the middle, conservative but compassionate.


That's a stance which I like to refer to as 'conservative with a small 'c''..! I'm in roughly the same position. The lack of compassion is what angers me most about the Conservative party. I'm a disabled citizen, and sadly I'm unable to work in a normal work environment of any sort due to severe chronic neuropathic pain affecting my whole body (it's like the 'agoniser' automated torture booths in the revamped Star Trek series on Netflix - constant pain flaring & zapping the body whether moving or at rest...) Being disabled, and yet holding conservative values, is a rabbit hole paradox of fear & uncertainty. Looking at the poor souls here in the UK who have been denied access to Universal Credit where they are literally entitled to it, seeing mums who work as nurses queuing up at food banks with babies in prams - the whole thing is #ing disgraceful. For the sake of a tiny minority who seek to abuse the system, the vast majority of legitimate claimants are being penalised in the most inhumane manner.

Throwing a billion quid at the DUP literally overnight in order to get a handful of votes (10) in the commons, yet unwilling to fix the welfare system (which would cost roughly the same amount). Expecting charities to pick up the slack when it's most definitely entirely their responsibility to make sure the destitute & the working poor are cared for; to make sure that employers pay living wages; to make sure job security is available for the young (they won't forget the ignominy of having the zero-hours contract* culture foisted upon them as a 'solution' to their student debt, leaving them unable to move out of the parents' home, evicted repeatedly for having no money to pay the rent) - not to mention the hellish difficulty in securing a mortgage, even if they're in reasonable employment..

*slavery at the whim of capricious profit whores.

That's why I can never vote Conservative, even though I hold 'conservative with a small 'c'' values. I'm in a sort of no-mans land as a result, and so might end up voting Liberal Democrat as the least worst option in terms of moral choice.. As I say though, I even feel that we can tolerate a term with Labour in government, simply to fix the injustices brought on by Cameron & May over the past eight years.. Tighten our belts across the classes, make sure that the scandal of youth homelessness is utterly resolved - by fixing the deep problems I've described above (rather than sticking a band-aid over the problem, as with the recent promise of a few homeless shelters to be built in the bigger cities - a disgraceful attitude, yet again).

"Conservative with Compassion" should be the campaign slogan of a splinter party - they would probably gain seats.


Cheers, I see you 'get it'.


Sorry to hear about your pain!

Not that I know the actual details, but often neural issues relate to inconsistencies in the insulative myelin sheathing around the nerves. Although you should get a doctor or specialist's opinion before doing so, but having a high dose oil supplement (not a long-life type food oil like from the supermarket, they aren't particularly bio-available). A mix of coconut oil, Flaxseed oil and fish oil, a tablespoon a few times a day. Also, keep them in the fridge so they don't oxidise.



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