Ocasio-Cortez Joins Crowd of Youth Protesters at Nancy Pelosi’s Office

a reply to: madmac5150

Great God Almighty!
Have Faith!
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: seagull

It's time for that old guard to step aside. If they don't see it already, they may need to be , ah, prodded along. This could lead up to the convention for2020 making Chicago 68 look like small street party.

For every action there is an equal opposite reaction, in 68 thats how we ended up with a decade of Nixon and all of his BS, Ford and Carter. Thats the problem with the left they can spout out what sounds like wonder ideas, but have no leadership to implement them.

Ocasio-Cortez has fantastic enthusiasm, but she hasnt a clue how to make any of her ideas work,doesnt even know the actual numbers when spouting out how many Americans make less than 40 grand. She is literally thinks 200 million Americans make less than 40 grand when the actual number is much closer to 50 million. Even this doesnt take into account the millions that work just part time partly because of the shift small businesses had to absorb for health care costs. Among a myriad of other reasons, like 2 income families etc. etc.

Sure let the old guard fall can agree on some levels with exactly that, lets just be absolutely sure of the leadership, wisdom and actually knowledge of this so called new guard.

I think the funniest part of all is that she is a socialist and the dems voted her in. That means dems in general, not just far left....all of them. She now speaks for dems in general. No way to spin it. GO SOCIALISM!!!!!

a reply to: madmac5150

Heres the thing...

Pelosi is part of the machine, and happy to be. Shes fully corporatist, up to her eyeballs in money she did not actually work for, as well as conflicts of interest pertaining to how that money was generated, and needs to be protested against, her life made difficult, needs to be pressured out of office, and replaced with someone who is more similar to the regular people of her country, someone who has never had the option of doing nothing at all, while earning millions of dollars. The governance of a nation must NEVER be undertaken by people who are so far removed from the regular citizen, that their agendas and their lifestyles are alien to one another. Hers are. While she professes to all the central virtues of a more left wing idealism, she exemplifies none of them. Where true lefties would only be comfortable with earning vast sums, if they had done enormous physical labour, she is comfortable with doing nothing, and absorbing money by way of owning things, be they stocks or properties. Where lefties would be unwilling to gain an advantage unless everyone gained it with them, she is happy to be lifted up without ensuring the tide around her lifts others also.

People like her have no place in a left aligned organisation, in the same way that Tony Blair had no place within the Labour Party. When your beliefs and actions match the ideals you claim to uphold, that is legitimate, but neither Pelosi nor anyone similar to her, has any business claiming to represent anyone. When you occupy the smallest minority in a nation, that minority being "The stinking, filthy rich, the so rich you can only get that way by sitting on your fat, useless behind while the chips roll in, and avoiding all the tax you can" you cannot, must not, should never consider yourself fit to occupy a position within its governance, and DEFINITELY not within a party whose perceived alignment is with the left.

Of course, again, American politics is incredibly one dimensional, with what passes for the left having been a truly pathetic entity, as penetrated by corporatism, and as infected with warhawkery as the right is. It should be expected of the right, because that is literally the entire ethos of right wing thinking. Hand everything to the corporations, and let the markets deal with it, a sort of money worshiping version of "kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em out". But its only recently that there have emerged GENUINE advocates for real, lasting and progressive change, most specifically, a GENUINE alternative view. No longer do the citizens of America have to pick either conservative, or conservative lite. They can pick genuinely left leaning candidates for positions, who not only say all the right words, but live by them, people who LIVE like lefties, not like Marie Antionette, pronouncing on the benefits of cake in the face of a starving mob, not like soon to be beheaded monarchs, exclaiming that their divine right is more essential than notions of right and wrong, but actually living like someone who respects the streets and the people who make THEM, not the stock market trade floor, or the capitol building, the real centre of life, the real barometer of how well a nation is doing.

To those who say that this was the wrong target... Yeah, perhaps you could be forgiven for thinking that, assuming your eyes have recently been gouged out and trodden on in a bar fight. But other than that, there is no excuse for not thinking this through a damned sight more than some people appear to have. The people in the know, know that if the Dems appear to be continuing to rely on these old guard, corporate sponsored faces, the voters who want an abandonment of the monied few, will abandon the Dems. More importantly, the fact is that the much needed left swing in politics cannot happen, if there are to be agents acting against it from within, agents of the dollar, rather than agents of the people. People in the know understand that you can either have a nation for the people, or a nation for the few who control the money in it, but not both, because the interests of the people are automatically going to be different and detrimental to the interests of the people with the money and the power.

Ocasio-Cortez may be a wildcard, just as likely to talk nonsense as sense, or maybe you think a less favourable ratio would be more appropriate. However, in going after Pelosi, she has made a canny move, and put those in the Democrat party who are not pulling in the same direction as those on the streets on notice, that she will highlight their complicity in the plight of the people, she will highlight their participation in the broken system, she will not allow them to continue to play both princess and evil queen, before the public. I think that is refreshing, to be honest.

a reply to: madmac5150

Trump endorsed her. That's all they needed to know.

a reply to: putnam6

I agree about Ocasio-Cortez. She is a spark-plug and using her enthusiasm to ignite young voters and at this point I think the ''old guard'' is not stopping her. And yes, Chicago sparked a generation of rebellion but it also brought on the next two decades of conservative reaction to ''wild in the streets''

The old guard of the Republican Party were blindsided by Trump and had no one to really appeal to the activist side of the party. All they had was ''the plan'' to put up another Bush with a bunch of other socks standing on stage with him. I mean, Rick Scott, really?

No, I think the Dems have taken a lesson from that Republican revolution and will not fall to the same blind populist theft of the party. Ocasio-Cortez is not a reasonable choice to spearhead the revolution in the Dem Party. It will be another I think, one who is not of the old guard but who has demonstrated the spirit of liberalism while at the same time demonstrating the soundness of judgement necessary to unite not only both sides of that party, but the people of the nation as well.

I can see this battle within that party coming down to the convention for 2020. Now that the super delegates are restricted from voting their super delegate status on the first ballot, this leaves an opportunity for that mediator to rise up and win the nomination by first ballot acclamation.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Hey Brit, nice going. I liked the Marie Antoinette Pelosi juxtapose.
LIke you, I see that office sit in as a broadside to the old guard, letting them know that they should, and indeed must deal with those in the party that have too long held to true liberal values while at the same time allowing the entire established elite of the party to fall so much in line with conservatives economics.

Pelosi is evil and corrupt

a reply to: TrueBrit

It's what I like about Trump. He does what he said he would. Unlike certain people who can't give Trump a compliment, I can compliment her on this. She's still a dimwit who has no clue what is really going on and got elected on a platform of free everything so her supporters are also dimwits if they think things are actually free, nothing is.

I hope more people follow her lead of being real though, just hope they are equally realistic.

a reply to: 3n19m470

You mean Obama?

Could be she will manage to get both parties upset with her. She will find out hanging with the cool kids is fun but it doesn't do anything as far as get legislation done.

a reply to: madmac5150


She (Occasional Cortex) is just angry because she and her friends found out that the Electoral College doesn't do keggers.

a reply to: madmac5150

Oy, no insulting the cereal with the marshmallow bits...

They're magically delicious. I'm eating a bowl of them as I type this. I prefer 'em dry.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Well, I hope the push back results in something other than just a younger version of the same ol', same ol', y'know.

I am out in the wilderness of politics now, but one day I'd like to see the democratic party come back to me. Because, despite what it says in my siggy, I didn't leave them, they left me.

I am unabashedly somewhat conservative in many issues, but liberal in others. I'd like to see the Dems begin to represent that a little more. Do what's right, rather than what's expedient politically.

Doing something about climate change is the same as acting against Santa Claus.

You are advocating action against something that simply doesn't exist. It's like screaming at the sky.

But then, this is par for the course for nutjob Ocasio-Cortez.

I still can't believe anyone could actually keep on voting for these whack-a-doos....(Waters, Warren, Pelosi, etc. included as well).

And before anyone starts with it....I've been denying this Global Warming scare nonsense since my first day on ATS over 15 years ago. And yes, I realize this (false) narrative exists that most scientists accept it.

Yes, and (Most scientists) accepted the idea of String Theory and Dark Matter too. How did that work out? (both of which I've claimed as bunk for just as long as the above). I certainly don't claim to know everything, but I usually know BS when I hear it...

I am unabashedly somewhat conservative in many issues, but liberal in others. I'd like to see the Dems begin to represent that a little more. Do what's right, rather than what's expedient politically.

the biggest problem is that they have no platform other than "Trump bad...we stick it to Trump....Grrr....."

This is a pretty weak platform for actually retaining the folks who may be more liberal on social issues, but more conservative when it comes to government interference and regulation. Like many other former Dems, I feel the party left me, not the other way around. Years ago.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: madmac5150


She (Occasional Cortex) is just angry because she and her friends found out that the Electoral College doesn't do keggers.

No keggers?

Nope.

Just "Kool-Ade", vodka and victim hood... A "commiesmopolitan"...

Her recent statements make me think that, she has had more than a few of those...