posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 06:35 PM
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Fellow Brit here and a leave voter.
Firstly I will agree that our current government has royally screwed Brexit up. I wanted a real Brexit and yes I knew what that meant as did most
people who took five minutes to have a quick scan of any newspaper, internet page or watch five minutes of any one news channel, they fluffed up some
things on both sides with the leave campaigns talking about the golden road and the remain talking about how we'd fall off a cliff the second the
results came in and haven't let up with the fearmongering since.
As to the multiple referendums, you know they were forced right? Well not actually forced but basically the results came in and the EU pretty much
said Nope vote again and they did and both times (from what I've read and remember) came in favour of what the EU wanted by the skin of their teeth so
they weren't democratic votes they were forced second votes (again not at gun point but I'm sure you understand).
I do fear we're getting a second vote but why I fear it has nothing to do with what I think the real result will be. See if you have a second vote and
the results lets say go in favour of the remain do we leavers have the right to demand a third? or if leave wins again you know the remainers will
come up with a new reason as to a third vote and it will never stop. Let us leavers have our slice of democracy. Remainers need to understand that any
second vote will send a signal to Leavers that at the end of the day our vote, our voice means nothing. Also, if we have a second vote how d'you think
the EU will see it if we do and remain wins? Do you think they will celebrate and welcome us with open arms or will they see as weak and fearful not
able to go through with our own votes? We would be under their foot. We would be seen as far weaker.
The only way to fix Breixt is for the EU to actually be open to real trade, to real treaties and real laws that benefit BOTH sides. They have said one
thing in the public but then behind closed doors and or in interviews (after the fact) that they will not accept this proposal or this offer from us,
hell we've come up with ideas for the Irish border and yet they have batted all of them down and the only thing they've come up with (that wasn't
claiming one of ours - tech border) is that the EU basically gets to annex Northern Ireland (it would be under their control) could you imagine that?
Here is my ideal reaction to the apparent NO to the recent meeting (reports came out today) it is this: Sit the EU down and say "Look we've given you
options. We've given you a white paper with what we want and what we believe is a fair balance between what was voted for and what would be in both
our interests. We are open to real and proper negotiations where both sides give things up but if that isn't on the cards then we are prepared to
walk. BUT remember tariffs work both ways" I would then get up and walk out of the room and go back to the UK and leave them dealing with their local
businesses who are already going after their leaders about potential trading falls and financial drops.
Also, one last thing (I could put up more) - We need to have a Brexiteer in number 10. We need someone who can see that Brexit is an actual option.
She doesn't. She is a remainer and so we need someone who is not. I don't know who but we do. I hear there is this guy in the States called Trump who
is having a little trouble, if he wants to take a break I'm happy for him to come over and lend a hand leading the charge because at this point no one
can screw it up as much as May is. If she fails this deal she will kiss her career bye bye.
edit on 19-9-2018 by Dwoodward85 because: (no