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Rejecting Puerto Rican Death Toll, Trump Accuses Democrats of Inflating It

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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
How many people die every year in Puerto Rico? Historical comparison of deaths year to year is where you start the investigation.


That's exactly what they did:


We implemented the project as three studies, each with specific yet complementary methodologies. Our excess mortality study analyzed past mortality patterns (mortality registration and population census data from 2010 to 2017) in order to predict the expected mortality if Hurricane María had not occurred (predicted mortality) and compare this figure to the actual deaths that occurred (observed mortality). The difference between those two numbers is the estimate of excess mortal ity due to the hurricane. We developed a series of generalized linear models (GLMs) with monthly data for the pre-hurricane period of July 2010-August 2017, accounting for trends in population size and distribution over this period in terms of age, sex, seasonality and residence by municipal level of socioeconomic development. Our estimates also considered Puerto Rico’s consistently high emigration during the prior decade and dramatic population displacement after the hurricane. We used the model results to project forward mortality that would have been expected if the hurricane had not occurred for two scenarios—if the population had not changed (census scenario) , and explicitly accounting for massive post-hurricane population displacement from the island (displacement scenario) .


PDF of the GWU Milken Study

As a retort President Thinskin offered no proof, no studies, no numbers, no methodology -- just an uninformed and misplaced opinion, as he always does.




posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 03:57 PM
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originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: Xcalibur254

The government who brought out the figures claims the disaster “and its effects” resulted in the death toll. I guess the hurricanes lasted for around a year and didn’t move from PR during that time.

No, Trump is exactly right. The deaths were caused by factors other than the hurricanes.


Using that logic, if I get hit by a car and die a week later from my injuries, it wasn’t the car that killed me.


No. If you get hit by a car and die a week later, the car still killed you. If the car doesn’t hit you, but hits a telephone pole, and you die because you weren’t able to call an ambulance because the government refused to fix it, it wasn’t the car that killed you.


I’ll let this comment speak for itself.




posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Naahhh, probably by a specialist surgeon

from some terrible south-american county
hired by the hospital during Obama's time in office
who's visa is still pending...

You can see where this one's headed ...

death-by-illegal-immigrant



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Thank you. I don't know why, though, because it also speaks against your "logic".



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: Lumenari




The current death toll is because they have a crappy corrupt government in Puerto Rico that spent more on mansions for the elite than keeping up their infrastructure. So a lot of the deaths afterwards were because of not planning ahead for something that was going to happen. Trump didn't do that... their own government did.

so,,,Meh - brown people?


Is that how you refer to Puerto Ricans?



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

As do most states in America. I get it. You think the people of Puerto Rico are responsible for all of the deaths resulting from the hurricane, and the federal government had nothing to do with it. If you want to believe that, feel free.

But the fact remains that FEMA itself was defunded to the tune of $10 million on orders from Trump himself just before the hurricanes hit. But that’s neither here nor there.

This thread is about Trump LYING about the death count and stating that it isn’t real because the democrats made it up to try and hurt him.

If you want to argue over whether Puerto Rico is its own government or is a part of ours, make a thread about it. This is about Trumps bold faced lie disrespecting the people and the families that lost loved ones to this storm.

If you have something to say about that, I’m all ears.


Stop using us as political pawns, that is where the real disrespect lies. It is well known that the response was somewhat disorganized, but piling the blame solely on the president is dishonest, at best.

The timing of all these allegations are being used by the left to cause an emotional reaction, it is very clear.
Honestly, I was skeptical of many claims of death ever since that report came a few months ago. There is a lot of "assumptions" mixed in within the data.
edit on 9/13/2018 by efabian because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Donald Trump does not care about brown people.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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Jesus Christ. I came here tonight thinking "surely they'll at least call him out on this one, surely?"

I officially give up. The cognitive dissonance has become unbearable. It's literally at propaganda levels now, or denial and delusion.

I absolutely can't wrap my head around trump supporters' absolute inability and unwillingness to ever call their leader out on anything.

This is not a game.

This is not a sport.

Whoever you vote for, we should all scrutinise and hold them accountable for their words and actions. Always. It's a weakness not to, and a strength to do so. A necessary one.

Seriously guys this is literally getting dangerous now. Blind faith to ensure you "win" at all costs is dangerous. History has proven this time and time again.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Donald Trump does not care about brown people.


Brown people, eh? I'm not sure the folks of Puerto Rico would like that.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: JasonBillung


he didn't geddit

we do need a facepalm



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

"Falsely"?

I assume there is evidence that what the Puerto Ricans allege is correct? Lord knows the people in charge down there haven't shown to be very honest in how they portray their tragedy, or in how they distribute relief.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: fencesitter85


it's ats…

we're all rolling in cash so lighten up and ignore the idiot.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: Cassi3l
a reply to: JasonBillung


he didn't geddit

we do need a facepalm


No I get the argument: Puerto Ricans are brown people, therefor Donald Trump doesn't like them. I just think its incredibly racist to refer to Puerto Ricans as "brown people".



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: fencesitter85




Seriously guys this is literally getting dangerous now. Blind faith to ensure you "win" at all costs is dangerous. History has proven this time and time again.


Yes, it has gotten to the point where Americans hate other Americans, based upon "win."

So sad.

But it is also calling out folks true selves. Remember.

When the dust settles, all the ones on the "win" side will be left holding dust, and the rest of America will remember who you were, and are.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254



A study was commissioned that states that in the months following Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico almost 3,000 deaths could be directly attributed to it


According to the Six Degrees of Hurricane Maria nothing exactly can't be attributed to it...






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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: Infoshill

History will remember you. The internet is pretty much forever. Will you be proud of your words in the future? Or will you be quoted for some other reason?



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

The report itself is more damning of the Government of Puerto Rico than anyone here would like to admit.

Puerto Rico Report

Despite what the anti-Trump crowd says, the number isn't based on fact or evidence, but counterfactual estimates.


To estimate excess mortality associated with Hurricane María, it was necessary to develop counterfactual mortality estimates, or estimates of what mortality would have been expected to be had the disaster not occurred.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:44 PM
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I dont see where we know who died directly from neglect and who died of heart attacks and the storm/debris itself.

Until you can hash those numbers out, youre just being disingenuous about who is at fault, and how much they share blame with the local government



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: Butterfinger
I dont see where we know who died directly from neglect and who died of heart attacks and the storm/debris itself.

Until you can hash those numbers out, youre just being disingenuous about who is at fault, and how much they share blame with the local government


Due to the lack of mortality assessment by the Government of Puerto Rico, the actual numbers will never be known. According to the report:


The inadequate preparedness and personnel training for crisis and emergency risk communication, combined with numerous barriers to accurate, timely information and factors that increased rumor generation, ultimately decreased the perceived transparency and credibility of the Government of Puerto Rico.


...but Trump.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 04:49 PM
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no wait even better ...
how about this ...
a reply to: fencesitter85

Trump-tweets:
...
I SHOT A UNICORN WHEN I WAS 9 YEARS OLD
AND AS YOU KNOW UNICORNS ARE FIGHTERS
THE BEST FIGHTERS BOY DO THEY FPGHT

I STILL RUB THAT HEAD SPIKE TODAY
BEFORE VERY IMPORTANTLY MEETINGS

THAT DEADBEAT CHARLIE SHEEN
WITH HIS FAKE TIGER BLOOD !!!
WEAK MANCHILD
I RUB UNICORN HORN !

MAGA
...

I, really, would not be in the least bit surprised
TO SEE ...oops.. some kind of varaiation thereof
and yet the Trumpists will still turn a blind eye

turn a blind eye ... how many eyes does a Trump supporter have ?




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