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originally posted by: carewemust
How many people die every year in Puerto Rico? Historical comparison of deaths year to year is where you start the investigation.
We implemented the project as three studies, each with specific yet complementary methodologies. Our excess mortality study analyzed past mortality patterns (mortality registration and population census data from 2010 to 2017) in order to predict the expected mortality if Hurricane María had not occurred (predicted mortality) and compare this figure to the actual deaths that occurred (observed mortality). The difference between those two numbers is the estimate of excess mortal ity due to the hurricane. We developed a series of generalized linear models (GLMs) with monthly data for the pre-hurricane period of July 2010-August 2017, accounting for trends in population size and distribution over this period in terms of age, sex, seasonality and residence by municipal level of socioeconomic development. Our estimates also considered Puerto Rico’s consistently high emigration during the prior decade and dramatic population displacement after the hurricane. We used the model results to project forward mortality that would have been expected if the hurricane had not occurred for two scenarios—if the population had not changed (census scenario) , and explicitly accounting for massive post-hurricane population displacement from the island (displacement scenario) .
originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: Xcalibur254
The government who brought out the figures claims the disaster “and its effects” resulted in the death toll. I guess the hurricanes lasted for around a year and didn’t move from PR during that time.
No, Trump is exactly right. The deaths were caused by factors other than the hurricanes.
Using that logic, if I get hit by a car and die a week later from my injuries, it wasn’t the car that killed me.
No. If you get hit by a car and die a week later, the car still killed you. If the car doesn’t hit you, but hits a telephone pole, and you die because you weren’t able to call an ambulance because the government refused to fix it, it wasn’t the car that killed you.
originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: Lumenari
The current death toll is because they have a crappy corrupt government in Puerto Rico that spent more on mansions for the elite than keeping up their infrastructure. So a lot of the deaths afterwards were because of not planning ahead for something that was going to happen. Trump didn't do that... their own government did.
so,,,Meh - brown people?
As do most states in America. I get it. You think the people of Puerto Rico are responsible for all of the deaths resulting from the hurricane, and the federal government had nothing to do with it. If you want to believe that, feel free.
But the fact remains that FEMA itself was defunded to the tune of $10 million on orders from Trump himself just before the hurricanes hit. But that’s neither here nor there.
This thread is about Trump LYING about the death count and stating that it isn’t real because the democrats made it up to try and hurt him.
If you want to argue over whether Puerto Rico is its own government or is a part of ours, make a thread about it. This is about Trumps bold faced lie disrespecting the people and the families that lost loved ones to this storm.
If you have something to say about that, I’m all ears.
Seriously guys this is literally getting dangerous now. Blind faith to ensure you "win" at all costs is dangerous. History has proven this time and time again.
A study was commissioned that states that in the months following Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico almost 3,000 deaths could be directly attributed to it
To estimate excess mortality associated with Hurricane María, it was necessary to develop counterfactual mortality estimates, or estimates of what mortality would have been expected to be had the disaster not occurred.
originally posted by: Butterfinger
I dont see where we know who died directly from neglect and who died of heart attacks and the storm/debris itself.
Until you can hash those numbers out, youre just being disingenuous about who is at fault, and how much they share blame with the local government
The inadequate preparedness and personnel training for crisis and emergency risk communication, combined with numerous barriers to accurate, timely information and factors that increased rumor generation, ultimately decreased the perceived transparency and credibility of the Government of Puerto Rico.