Bob Woodward: "Administrative Coup D'etat"

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: Krazysh0t

yes manafort will be pardoned.

And if Trump does that then it will be the end of his Presidency. Public opinion on pardoning him is sitting around 18%.

no portman will not be rehired as long as trump knows what happened. By your own words trump likes loyalty and what rob and gary done does not sound loyal.

Back in march he was still considering it, but now that it is September I'm willing to agree with you.

a reply to: shooterbrody

What else would you expect him to say officially on the record?

Let's be honest there's probably no one in the White House, or even the whole GOP, that wants Pence as President. Even if Trump were a blithering idiot at least he would make a useful puppet.

Pence on the other hand comes across as an ideologue. He can't be controlled.

Better to keep Trump looking "good" and running things behind the scenes than give up the reins to a True Believer.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

And if Trump does that then it will be the end of his Presidency. Public opinion on pardoning him is sitting around 18%.

No he will not be impeached.

Manafort will be pardoned and portman will not be rehired.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

TBH, I feel like the mainstream GOP would prefer Pence over Trump any day as Trump is the uncontrollable one and Pence has a better idea of how the political system works and how to grease the wheels. For instance, with Pence in charge I feel like the GOP would take a slower approach to getting judicial nominees instated since they wouldn't be working under the election clock. Pence may be an ideologue and I certainly don't like many of his religious positions, but he would probably run the country more similarly to Bush than Trump. While that is bad for the people in either case, I'm sure the GOP in Congress would prefer to0 work with another Bush over Hurricane Trump.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: Krazysh0t

And if Trump does that then it will be the end of his Presidency. Public opinion on pardoning him is sitting around 18%.

No he will not be impeached.

Manafort will be pardoned and portman will not be rehired.

I doubt it. Even Trump isn't talking about the subject anymore now that pundits have the numbers on how unpopular this idea is. I mean, do you actually think he should be pardoned? He is unquestionably guilty and pardoning him would be a HUGE travesty of justice.

I don't know why you repeated the point about Rob Porter. I already agreed with you on that one.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No. The book doesn't say otherwise. There are no listed crimes in that blurb you just posted for instance.

It does say otherwise.

You said "What if the document was a draft that the draftee took off his desk because he wanted to fix a typo?" Then you said "How do you know? You don't know what the papers said." Both of which were dead wrong.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Perhaps i am thickheaded so i repeated it.

There are more factors than just the recent trial at play.

Trumps wants to pardon him and will do so at the right time.

The matters were previously investigated and deemed not to be worth punishment.

Key witness is a liar by own admittance.

Any sentence more than time served will get a pardon so in that sense you could be correct.

The whole investigation was misdirected and because of that it is unconstitutional.

They were in no way legally bound to prosecute every crime they found.

Your poles are skewed by timing and time changes very often.

The term fruit of poison tree comes to mind.

While it is being viewed as crimes many times is something that is usually dealt with differently.

Really this all rest on the outcome of the elections upcoming.

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: 1947boomer
NiNjjABackflip wrote:

“There is no evidence of dwindling cognitive abilities”

Sure there is. Read, for example: “Trump wasn’t always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?“ This article appeared last year in the journal, STATNEWS, an online health industry publication.

The article compares recorded, unscripted statements from Trump about 20 years or so ago with statements from last year. They point out:

“In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which — and this is no mean feat — would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn’t build housing for working-class Americans.

Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as “subsided,” “inclination,” “discredited,” “sparring session,” and “a certain innate intelligence.” He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, “It could have been a contentious route,” and, “These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated.” He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: “If you get into what’s missing, you don’t appreciate what you have,” and, “Adversity is a very funny thing.”

Now, Trump’s vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month [April, 2017]:

“People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it — you’ve been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it’s funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall.”

These days he manages to cram 30 seconds worth of ideas into about 3 minutes worth of talking. If that's not cognitive decline, it's a pretty damn good imitation.

The full STATNEWS article can be seen at:

www.statnews.com...

He has since aced the cognitive abilities test. How does that fit into your “evidence”?

Traditionally, the ability to form complex sentences is a measure of what's referred to as Verbal Reasoning. Verbal Reasoning, together with Mathematical Reasoning are the two main components of traditional IQ Tests. Trump's decline in Verbal Reasoning essentially represents a decrease in his effective IQ.

The Montreal Cognitive Assessment test that Trump was administered as part of his annual physical exam is not intended to measure intelligence. In fact it is specifically designed with really simple memory and arithmetic questions so that even people with very modest IQs can pass it. It is intended to detect the onset of defects (typically of an organic origin) of the simple memory and spatial reasoning functions that underly higher cognitive functions.

Verbal Reasoning tests and the Montreal Cognitive Assessment test are two different animals.

Just to reiterate the ramifications, an advisor (a chief operating officer for Goldman Sachs) stole documents related to trade from the president's desk because he feared that the president may sign them.

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: 1947boomer
NiNjjABackflip wrote:

“There is no evidence of dwindling cognitive abilities”

Sure there is. Read, for example: “Trump wasn’t always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?“ This article appeared last year in the journal, STATNEWS, an online health industry publication.

The article compares recorded, unscripted statements from Trump about 20 years or so ago with statements from last year. They point out:

“In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which — and this is no mean feat — would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn’t build housing for working-class Americans.

Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as “subsided,” “inclination,” “discredited,” “sparring session,” and “a certain innate intelligence.” He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, “It could have been a contentious route,” and, “These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated.” He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: “If you get into what’s missing, you don’t appreciate what you have,” and, “Adversity is a very funny thing.”

Now, Trump’s vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month [April, 2017]:

“People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it — you’ve been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it’s funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall.”

These days he manages to cram 30 seconds worth of ideas into about 3 minutes worth of talking. If that's not cognitive decline, it's a pretty damn good imitation.

The full STATNEWS article can be seen at:

www.statnews.com...

He has since aced the cognitive abilities test. How does that fit into your “evidence”?

Traditionally, the ability to form complex sentences is a measure of what's referred to as Verbal Reasoning. Verbal Reasoning, together with Mathematical Reasoning are the two main components of traditional IQ Tests. Trump's decline in Verbal Reasoning essentially represents a decrease in his effective IQ.

The Montreal Cognitive Assessment test that Trump was administered as part of his annual physical exam is not intended to measure intelligence. In fact it is specifically designed with really simple memory and arithmetic questions so that even people with very modest IQs can pass it. It is intended to detect the onset of defects (typically of an organic origin) of the simple memory and spatial reasoning functions that underly higher cognitive functions.

Verbal Reasoning tests and the Montreal Cognitive Assessment test are two different animals.

I thought we were talking about cognitive decline, not intelligence. Obviously they are two different animals.

a reply to: NiNjABackflip

I seem to recall that when he was picked Trump's supporters assured everyone that he was the best man for the job. Despite many people worried he would use his position to increase his own wealth.

a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Thank you [insert name] for further cementing my choice for Presidency in the 2020 election.

Like the little boy who cried wolf, I read a different story attacking our President every week claiming some asinine reason he is unfit for the position. I don't recall a time when these stories turned out to be anything more than that. Stories. Made up. Fiction.

President Trump has been a political breath of fresh air and such a refreshing change of pace from the neoFacist Obama / DNC regime.

Thank you again for helping make this choice all the more easy for me!

Signed,
2020 Trump voter

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: NiNjABackflip

I seem to recall that when he was picked Trump's supporters assured everyone that he was the best man for the job. Despite many people worried he would use his position to increase his own wealth.

Which is it then? Was he defending the country or trying to increase his own wealth?

originally posted by: SKEPTEK
a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Thank you [insert name] for further cementing my choice for Presidency in the 2020 election.

Like the little boy who cried wolf, I read a different story attacking our President every week claiming some asinine reason he is unfit for the position. I don't recall a time when these stories turned out to be anything more than that. Stories. Made up. Fiction.

President Trump has been a political breath of fresh air and such a refreshing change of pace from the neoFacist Obama / DNC regime.

Thank you again for helping make this choice all the more easy for me!

Signed,
2020 Trump voter

You do not find it evil that a trusted advisor to the president stole documents from his desk in order to sabotage his agenda?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: shooterbrody

What else would you expect him to say officially on the record?

Let's be honest there's probably no one in the White House, or even the whole GOP, that wants Pence as President. Even if Trump were a blithering idiot at least he would make a useful puppet.

Pence on the other hand comes across as an ideologue. He can't be controlled.

Better to keep Trump looking "good" and running things behind the scenes than give up the reins to a True Believer.

So you are calling Kelly a liar?
Jesus you people are unbelievable.
Unnamed sources are correct, those quoted that deny the quotes are not.
Fing bizarro world.

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: SKEPTEK
a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Thank you [insert name] for further cementing my choice for Presidency in the 2020 election.

Like the little boy who cried wolf, I read a different story attacking our President every week claiming some asinine reason he is unfit for the position. I don't recall a time when these stories turned out to be anything more than that. Stories. Made up. Fiction.

President Trump has been a political breath of fresh air and such a refreshing change of pace from the neoFacist Obama / DNC regime.

Thank you again for helping make this choice all the more easy for me!

Signed,
2020 Trump voter

You do not find it evil that a trusted advisor to the president stole documents from his desk in order to sabotage his agenda?

I find it very troubling if that is true but I don't believe much of anything this gentleman has to say.

a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Bob Woodward must now be a "washed up" journalist who needs money in his final years. Chief of Staff John Kelly said this afternoon that Woodward is a liar...plain and simple.

truepundit.com...

My, how far Bob Woodward has fallen...

a reply to: seagull


I loved the phone call between trump and woodward, Trump told woodward, "just another bad book about me, oh well"

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Bob Woodward must now be a "washed up" journalist who needs money in his final years. Chief of Staff John Kelly said this afternoon that Woodward is a liar...plain and simple.

truepundit.com...

My, how far Bob Woodward has fallen...

Very interesting.

a reply to: NiNjABackflip


It's like Bob Woodward whipped up the content of this book from some pleasant dream he had last week. Not a peep about it beforehand.