U.S. Inmates Launching Nationwide Strike to End Prison Slavery

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: MteWamp

Don't commit a felony. Is that somehow difficult to understand?

Most of these people come from totally broken homes and or have unresolved mental health issues. These problems need to be resolved and prison isn't doing it.

Guess what, some of these people are your neighbors. Do you want a neighbor with unresolved mental health issues and an education on how to commit cleaner crimes in the future or do you want a neighbor with resolved issues that's a health productive member of society?

Choose wisely.

OK, so prisoners cannot do productive work in prison ... CHECK.

But you complain they come our of prison unprepared for society?

One of the things they have to do in society is productive labor. How do you learn how to do productive labor ... except to actually do productive labor? You know, basically learn what it is to come in on time and put in your time ... learn those basic job skills that most people learned in part-time, no skill, minimum wage jobs.

Part of getting your education in life is working those jobs alongside your GED or other job training classes.

Mental health only carries you so far if you haven't been taught basic job skills that will support and scaffold all the in-house treatment you received to keep your life stable on the outside.

a reply to: Chance321

We have the harshest prison conditions of the First World and the highest recidivism rates. How do you explain that correlation?

a reply to: ketsuko

so how's that system been working?

pretty good I assume?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Creep Thumper

Seems like it happens plenty often in other countries with other prison models.

"Other prison models". That right there.

Scandinavia seems to have a pretty successful method, although the influx of immigrants is shooting their statistics all to hell.

I can explain it, but then I'd be labeled a racist.

a reply to: ketsuko

I'd recommend job skills training combined with life skills training, anger management classes, and a few other bits of training.

Prison should be more like school. It shouldn't be days spent without anything to really do other than follow a schedule and cause trouble.

Eventually, we phase out prison entirely for anyone who didn't actually cause harm to someone. THis way professionals can arise in our society that are paid to help empower people rather than employing people to sieze rights and babysit bored criminals.

There are 100 other ways to do it that make so much more sense than what we do now.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

here's how I boil things down;

is it working?

if no than input change

is it working?

if no than input change

is it working?

if yes than keep it

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: ketsuko

I'd recommend job skills training combined with life skills training, anger management classes, and a few other bits of training.

Prison should be more like school. It shouldn't be days spent without anything to really do other than follow a schedule and cause trouble.

Eventually, we phase out prison entirely for anyone who didn't actually cause harm to someone. THis way professionals can arise in our society that are paid to help empower people rather than employing people to sieze rights and babysit bored criminals.

There are 100 other ways to do it that make so much more sense than what we do now.

Bolded items are already addressed. Schooling in various areas is part of statutorially-mandated programming. They get GEDs, they get college degrees, they get vocational training.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: burdman30ott6

it's an over simplification of a large issue, humans are not simple, culture and society is not simple and neither are their problems

Ummm...actually...it is rather simple...

A...break the law...

B...don't break the law...


No one is compelled to break the law they're not even forced to do it...they do so willingly and knowingly...they choose...to be a criminal...

They could also choose to rehabilitate/educate themselves while incarcerated...like breaking the law...rehabilitation is also an individual choice...just as recidivism is a decision...

It really is as simple as that...






YouSir

a reply to: MteWamp

Oh get off your fecking high horse. Do you have any idea how many americans are in prison for simple possesion of a substance. That shouldn't even be a crime and people get locked in cages for years for it.

a reply to: YouSir

That is the dumbest thing ive heard all day. How many laws are complete garbage. Youve obviously never lived in poverty or know what its like to struggle.

a reply to: Creep Thumper

is it working? no

tweak the system

is it working now? no

tweak the system

it's really that simple.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: MteWamp

Don't commit a felony. Is that somehow difficult to understand?

Most of these people come from totally broken homes and or have unresolved mental health issues. These problems need to be resolved and prison isn't doing it.

Guess what, some of these people are your neighbors. Do you want a neighbor with unresolved mental health issues and an education on how to commit cleaner crimes in the future or do you want a neighbor with resolved issues that's a health productive member of society?

Choose wisely.

Guess what, your wrong. None of these people are my neighbors. Do you have information to the contrary?

However, given the choice, I'd prefer to have neighbors who aren't stupid enough to commit felonies.

We're not exactly talking about rocket science here, my friend.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Creep Thumper

is it working? no

tweak the system

is it working now? no

tweak the system

it's really that simple.

No, it isn't. As I said in my first post in this thread, providing services that are statutorially mandated eat up a significant amount of time in inmate programming.

There are only 24 hours in a day. Depending upon the institution, eight to ten hours of that is sleep.

Do the math. We MUST PROVIDE:

Education

Vocational training

Program Review (examines current status for possible change in programming or security level)

Health services (includes off-grounds appointments with specialists, surgeons, and hospitalization)

Visitation

Recreation

Library

Law Library

Jobs in various areas of the facility for inmates who have graduated from school

Dayroom

Religious services and related groups

Small group counseling (criminal/rational thinking, anger management, sexual offender treatment)

Educational tutoring

Canteen/commissary


Often, these activities overlap, which eats up more time due to escorts and supervision issues.

Again, we MUST PROVIDE these services as mandated by statute.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

That's one way to do it.

Of course, I think there should be a point at which some are just sent to those max lockdown babysitting joints though. Not everyone wants to be rehabilitated. And if there is no desire, then there is nothing to be worked with.

Like anything, you can't force someone to work with you and become what they need to be. They have to meet you halfway.

Much like what ought to be happening in the school system, we should be concentrating on the ones who want to improve themselves, not wasting time on the ones we're trying to force into shape.

a reply to: toysforadults
All of Central and South America, much of Asia, much of Africa, maybe all of the Middle East etc.. etc ..

I am pretty sure Mexican and Brazilian prisons are actual layers of hell that have phased into our existence.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

You would be wrong.



Conditions in El Salvador are better. The reason is the gangs control the prison. Less lock down. Brand new nikes.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

World's worst prisons

2 of these are in the US and gladiator school didn't even make the list, that should tell you something

www.thesun.co.uk... s-at-some-of-the-worlds-most-dangerous-prisons/

Another list. US prison on the list, compared to North Korea.

list25.com...

a reply to: Bramble Iceshimmer

It's where people go to pay for their crimes.

It's also a place where people are railroaded into it..unless you have means to buy a fair hearing/trial.
I'm not claiming everyone there is undeserving, but a fair number are.

People who complain about these supermax facilities amuse me. Convicts end up in these institutions because they've committed extremely violent crimes against other people. Supermax facilities are designed to confine these violent offenders in a way that protects the innocent from their violence.

If they cannot control themselves we have to use a physical plant specifically designed to achieve that control.

The simple answer to the problem of confinement in supermax is to stop assaulting and murdering other people. That includes the public, other inmates, and staff.

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: YouSir

That is the dumbest thing ive heard all day. How many laws are complete garbage. Youve obviously never lived in poverty or know what its like to struggle.

Ummm...excuse me swammi...obviously...in your psychedelic psychic stupor...you’ve been able to clearly see the entirety of my life...from conception to present...what enquiring minds want to know is...what’s your 900 number...?

You know...just in case we need us some real live telepsychic enlightenment...

Your absolutely correct...I’ve never lived in poverty...

Except for those times that spanned the entirety of my childhood when subsistence was wondering if the dog biscuits might taste better than the friskies...Or if I was ever going to see my brothers and sisters again...after t’he current round of foster home stay...

Perhaps...it was when I lived out of my 68 Volkswagen Beetle...have you ever slept in a Volkswagen Beetle...?
It was better than the street or the shelters...although I somehow found the time to volunteer at the shelters...help feed those who had even less than me and my Bug...

Yeah...I’ve never had to struggle...or cry myself to sleep at night because the hunger pains hurt so damned bad...
No sir...not me...except during all those times as a child of course...

That’s probably why I have an extra large freezer that I keep stuffed to the gills...


No sir...your absolutely right...it’s the dumbest thing on the whole World Wide Web...when someone states that personal responsibility is defined by choice and decision...and that these decisions are the reason we find ourselves exactly where we are in life...whether it be lying in bed typing on an Apple iPad Pro while it’s perched on your stomach...(guilty)...or blaming the world because somehow someone has the key to your extra small room...and they’ve locked the door...

You see...mr psychic...I’ve even been in those extra small rooms...and you know what...it was because of things that Ichose to do...and it was also me choosing to recognize where the fault lay...and who the only one I could honestly lay any blame at the feet of...

But you go right on ahead and judge me...it won’t have any impact on my life...I’ve bothered to consider all the ingredients that go into my makeup and how i got to exactly this moment in time...

By putting one foot in front of the other...and walking either left or right...at the behest of my own choice...





YouSir