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A John Titor haters club? I think you need to get out more, and preferably, a life.
Can i be president of this club? pleeeeese? *puppy eyes*
I find it interesting that this thread was moved to Below Top Secret >> RANT when the Titor story is CLEARLY a conspiracy subject. Maybe ATS profits too much from the Titor that they don't want it to disappear? Too many new visitors?
This Titor thing could have a negative affect on America if enough people are fooled by it. The Titor piece is clearly anti-American. Interesting that ATS wants to squash this thread.
Originally posted by Viendin
10th post from the bottom, page two of this thread. You never replied to it, or even commented on it.
As I do keep saying, before September 11th he was talking about missing WMD's and people's repealed rights. He was talking about the unification of the EU into something far more wholly realised, about China being a major superpower, about Russia moving backwards in America-friendliness. About a new major instability in the Middle East that America's involvement in would show a horrific foreign policy adopted by America, and sow the seeds of the civil war.
The WMD's were missing - and those words didn't even exist in pre-9/11 America.
A lot of people are very unhappy, and the world isn't a very stable thing right now.
Now, all that is interesting coincidence, and that's all. I'm just saying that regardless of how 'wrong' Titor's been regarding specifically Waco-like events, and regardless of how many little holes you poke in his story, or how many hater's clubs you start, he's made his mark, and he's been remarkably correct about what's happened to us so far.
Even if he's wrong, which he could (and likely will) be, then the story will be known as false, and remembered with interest as something to have 'happened on the early internet' that was never disproven over 5 years until the actual prophecies became undoubtedly incorrect. At that point, people could study this.
And for all of it, I don't care. But there's still a minute possibility that this story is real, and until you present some piece of rock solid proof, I'm not going to let you kill it. Regardless of whether I like it (I don't want to die) I won't see it removed simply because you don't.
You're looking at this as a story, I'm looking at this as a possibility. And I mean, hey, that's okay, right? To each their own. But there's a problem with it.
If I walk up to you, and tell you "A car just crashed, and a person died because of it." Then you have no real choice but to accept to truth. You can not look at me and say "I do not like a world where people die. This is a bad idea. The car didn't crash, people didn't die. You're lying, because I don't want people to die." - That just isn't the way it works.
If I walk up to you, and say "So what if a car crashed and a person died because of it?" Then you have the ability to say "I don't want the car to crash, it's a bad idea. I'm not participating in this."
When you look at "The Whole John Titor Thing" and immediately dismiss it as an obvious construction, which it may well be, but, as I feel I've shown to a pretty solid degree, isn't guaranteed to be, you overlook dealing with the consequences, and jump to mocking the plot.
You say things like "I don't like the idea of a revolution occuring" - well, if it's a hypothetical construction, you have every right to feel that way, but it isn't necessarily. If it's the actual truth, then you can not deny it because it doesn't sit well with you. If it actually happens, then you can not say that it is poorly thought out, because it's the truth.
You attack the sense of the JT events/claims, but you can only really do this if they are false. You can not prove something is false by assuming it is false. You must assume it is true and wait for something to prove it cannot be.
You can hate it, and loathe what it says, and groan at the message it contains, and seethe over the people who are 'infected' by it, but if it's the real truth, then you're the one standing in the way.
Don't forget: while it hasn't been proven true, it hasn't been proven false, so we shouldn't take sides and polarise yet. I hope you don't just ignore this post too.
Originally posted by Viendin
If it's true, I don't hate him for not telling us how to avoid it, because I think that, if it is actually true, it is something that we cannot simply avoid. The actions of the Russian and American governments are relatively unchangeable by us within the next 3-5 years. While we can make minor changes, I doubt something as large as "Let's oppress people and milk more money out of them" from the US government, or "Let's nuke people." from the Russian government is really within our circle of effect.
I'm not angry because I think that, were he peddling an answer, he'd seem more like a fake. He'd be trying to show us "the way out" which he really doesn't know. Instead, he told us a few ways to keep safe if it happened, and wished us all good luck. If I went into the 1930's I couldn't stop WWII. I couldn't tell people that another major War would brew in Eastern Europe (which was honestly a bit visible beforehand) and then tell them a way to stop it. ... Because I don't know of one.
I want us to develop a space-economy and get the crap off the planet, so we can take the load off of the environment and start working off the damage. When there's 8 billion of us here, using resources, we do more damage than we can fix. However, when there's 4-5 billion of us here and 6-10 out there in space, we can refine our existence and reform it, and bring the planet back to a much more balanced and healthy state.
As we've managed to get across to each other (I think): The story is not remarkably provable, and yet, is still viable after 5 years, and is very interesting at the least.
I don't think that any sort of an organization devoted to hating a subject should ever have to exist, and I don't think it's at all in good taste. Good examination of a topic and some skepticism balanced with some open mindedness should (in my mind) be attempted to be executed by all. I wouldn't join a JT-Supporters or a JT-Haters group, and will continue to show that the story is not purely bunk, but will gladly recognise that there are a few flaws. Nothing large enough to bring it down, but they do exist.
And, about science, that is the way it works.