posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 07:03 PM
Where are YOU getting your information?"
I used the information from the patent office. It contains highly detailed drawqings and discriptions of the DREAD weapon system. 100 times more
tecnical then defense review.
"I'm getting mine from defense review. Check out their specs and argue about it with them. They claim no recoil, pinpoint accuracy at sniper rifle
distances, and a ridiculous ROF. "
Read it. The patent on it is MUCH more precise. It's not an advertisement, but a no bull overview of the weapon. As far as recoil, there is a
counter-rotating force associated with the device. A helicopter needs a tail rotor (or other rotor), to counteract torque. They never mention
accuracy at sniper rifle distances. The 120,000 RPM is a future version of the dread that has 40 rails of ammunition storage. You can't expect ball
ammunition to go far. Go do the ballistic analysis for yourself.
"They don't make any note of 'spin-down' time as you say, I imagine it would take a second or 2 to cycle up, but that's it."
Why would they? It's an advertisement. If firestone mentioned their tires blow up in their ads, they would be in trouble. 2 seconds haahahha. Try
60 minutes at their "claimed" power rate. The energy that these 1000 bullets obtain through spin up is quite high. So a 1 horsepower motor
(assuming perfect efficiency) would take approx. 15 seconds to accelerate 1 .50 cal tungsten sphere to an energy level of 10,000 joules. That
doen't take into account electric motor inefficiency, drag, acceleration of disk, etc.
"The bursts are controlled by releasing the ammunition in cycles from the centrifuge. The reliability is a claim by the company that produces it,
not based on deployment of the system, you're right. Are you saying companies don't test their products? "
It has never been tested in "lethal form" all statistics haven't been disclosed.
"Yeah, the groups are 4-6 inches, but the individual rounds are landing only a third of an inch away from each other, which is a VERY tight group for
an automatic weapon. The claim of accuracy comes from the fact that there is no recoil. There is no instability in the drum, according to the company
that produces it, and since it's a silent firing weapon I would tend to agree. They have patented a new system to eliminate friction and increase
possible ROF. Where are you getting your information that the spinning disk suffers from a disproportionate distribution of ammo? It's my
understanding that the DREAD is fed from a circular magazine below the centrifuge, that pulls ammo up to replace that which is shot. "
If you have ever shot long distances with a rifle, you will understand that accuracy diminishes almost exponetially with distance. The effects of
wind, gravity, and minute angle differences is very pronounced at long distances.
Two inch spread at 50 feet will be a 2 foot spread at 500 feet (even though that's beyond the capability of the dread system)
Again, you did not read the patent. All the ammunition is stored on the spinning disk. In the most ambitious version, 1000 spheres are accelerated
simultaneously in "grooves". this is how they claim that their is no friction. The balls are then released one after the other. Even if they are
a third of an inch apart, their is a split second that the disk is not stable. It's like tying an obeject to a fan. Vibration occurs, accuracy is
"Metal storm is not as useful in space as DREAD, because of the recoil issue. DREAD is also better suited for mounting on air based, even light
weight platforms. It's also being considered for embassy and domestic crowd control and if necessary, deadly force. "
I do believe it can effectively used in CLOSE urban combat and for embassy protection and such. Whether airbased or ground based, the effective
range is very short.
"I totally dig the metal storm movies, the 1 million round number is deceptive, because it doesn't ACTUALLY hold or fire that many rounds, it just
rounds up the math after a 1 second burst utilizing each barrel multiple times. "
I agree. The standard should be in terms of how many rounds you can get actually get out a minute, not how many "POTENTALLY".
"Same with dread, though it IS capable of maintaining an arc of fire for longer, and since there is no heat buildup, I imagine there would be no loss
of accuracy. They would only need a 2 second burst to mow down the entire riot though, so I guess it's a moot point."
Their will always be heat buildup. No heat buildup means 100% efficiency. The heat may be negligible inthe weapon, but it still their. Also, the
heat has been transfereed to the humvee's engines which must run to use the dread system.
[edit on 24-2-2005 by KINGTIGER1]