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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: rickymouse
I am not sure so much that the original feminists or suffragettes or whatever you want to call them felt that women who were happily married *should* have to go out and work.
I think what they wanted was the freedom for women to work if they needed to. If a woman didn't want to marry or didn't want to be a family person or lost her husband and needed a means of support, then she should be able to go out and find a job which was not an available thing in the original days of the fight for women's equality.
But I'm not sure they envisioned today where women who would rather be happily married and raising the kids without a job are demeaned by their peers and society in general as lesser as the intended result.
"Life" in this "society" being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of "society" being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and eliminate the male sex.
He ["the male"] is trapped in a twilight zone halfway between humans and apes, and is far worse off than apes, because he is, first of all, capable of a large array of negative feelings that the apes aren't - hate, jealousy, contempt, disgust, guilt, shame, disgrace, doubt - and, secondly, he is aware of what he is and isn't.
So the people running the old press are better at that job, but should that qualify them to receive the same wage as the person painting the building or putting the cement sidewalk in?
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: one4all
the first seedlings of feminism sprouted at the same time as the US was sprouting radicals that were dumping tea off the ships docked in the harbors in boston.. matter of fact, it was just another part of a greater radical movement away from authoritarian, "divinely" appointed rulership towards a more free society.
the protestant movement which defied the all powerful spiritual authority of the catholic priest... such a radical idea that common men and women should have the holy scriptures translated into their language, and even a more radical idea that those common people should be taught how to read them!!! ya, it was radical, ya, it even became violent at times, but, maybe, just maybe, it was necessary since it allowed the people to see just how badly the church had twisted those words to enforce and grow their own power and wealth.
next to fall was the all powerful kings and queens and their "divine" rule... again, radical, again, sometimes quite violent, but were those kings and queens gonna surrender their power and grant the people their basic rights any other way??
slavery, worker's rights, child labor, they were all pretty radical ideas, and had occasions of violence associated with them.
of it all, to be honest, I think that the move to grant women the same freedom that was desired by all it seems, was less, radical, less violent than any of what came before it.
Last time I checked the Church was still running the show...sure they allow a wee little rainbow colored sideshow to go on mostly so they have names and numbers for later....lol...and as far as I can see the Royal Families are as powerful as ever if not more so......violence is not allowed into the equation....if it was we wouldnt be having this conversation you would be to busy doing dishes and laundry and would not have time to surf the net JUST KIDDING ........the progress people claim has been made is fictional....the only thing that has changed is that now women dont have to be slaved out into the workforce they volunteer for it and our birthrate in the developed world plummets.....once upon a time a man could endure the slavery on his own shoulders and keep his wife and kids safely out of the game....does someone think men didn't know what the slavery game was in the past....lol....now married or not women have to work so families can survive and where we once campaigned to STOP child slavery the fewer kids we now have are in their early teens working just so they can buy clothes and basics for themselves....many help their Parents with bills and rent....as I look through the history books and look at the artwork of the past I do not ever see women in chains or enslaved....I am not assailed by scenes of misery and hardship.....I am old but not ancient and I can remember HAPPY WOMEN raising their families and living full proeperous lives...I can also say I gave learned from people of the generations before me both male and female that the 60s was a con-job and that most of the women meaning the VAST MAJORITY...were HAPPY in the 60s being a part of the nuclear family....from my research it was a VERY VERY small group of loud fiscally supported women who were the catalysts behind what we know today as Feminism and who were burning their bras in College protests....just another small special interest group funded by people trying to slow down the growth and prosperity of a group of people who were growing and prospering much much to quickly....it is clear and obvious that Feminism was a tactical attack on Western Society and on the Nuclear Family with the express intention of creating cracks in a Societies framework.
originally posted by: 3n19m470
I think humanity would do well to learn some forgiveness. That's the real core of the issue here. People are not forgiving men for what has happened in the past. That is why the continued, sustained anger subsists for all these decades. Their inability to forgive, to empathize and come to the logical truth that they would have done the same in that situation.
Women used to stay at home or run errands or visit with friends while men worked. Think about that. Sure, one way to look at it is "the men are making all the big decisions and doing all the important work". Another way to look at it is the women are the brains of the operation. The queen bees. The masterminds... And the males are the workers, striving to Create Something that will please the females.
a reply to: Peeple
Sorry for the errors, I tried to fix them all, but I'm sure I missed some. Basically, any time i am on ATS, I am on my phone. So, it's not as easy to type as a keyboard would be for example.