Purely political, Roundhead or Cavalier? ...royal bs wedding.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Lagomorphe

I only ever ate the sherbet...if I was king I'd ban liquorice and send my troops to burn down every liquorice factory.
Constitutional crisis? Bring it on!

Then I will fight you until I drop dead clutching my liquorice sword...

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Lagomorphe

I only ever ate the sherbet...if I was king I'd ban liquorice and send my troops to burn down every liquorice factory.
Constitutional crisis? Bring it on!

Then I will fight you until I drop dead clutching my liquorice sword...

a reply to: schuyler

I'll take that over being ruled by a hereditary monarch from one particular rich family, every time.
Are you saying you would submit to a king or queen for the sake of tourism? I do not submit, and I'd vote for a republic if we ever got that referendum.

originally posted by: Lagomorphe

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Lagomorphe

I only ever ate the sherbet...if I was king I'd ban liquorice and send my troops to burn down every liquorice factory.
Constitutional crisis? Bring it on!

Then I will fight you until I drop dead clutching my liquorice sword...

You will be held in the Tower of London and violated by Curly Wurlys and Mars bars

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: schuyler

You so resented the rich that you turned everyone poor, a classic case of the descent into socialist "paradise."

Socialist paradise ?

There are more millionaires than ever before in the UK and only China, the US and Japan have more

So what has been the catalyst for such millionaire growth? The BCG report attributed the growth in global wealth to “accelerating economic growth and the strong performance of stock markets in many parts of the world.” Indeed, those owning shares in UK companies prospered handsomely last year: the FTSE 100 rose 14.43% in 2016, according to the London Stock Exchange.
www.coutts.com...

Yay socialism.

Ask the common man, not the millionaires. That's like saying life in the USA is peachy because--millionaires.

a reply to: schuyler

But you argue in defence of a head of state decided by birthright from a particular historically rich family?
Do you realise how insane that sounds if you use spoken word to express it?

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: schuyler

But you argue in defence of a head of state decided by birthright from a particular historically rich family? Do you realise how insane that sounds if you use spoken word to express it?

You go out of your way to miss the point, don't you? The propaganda has done a good job on you. Your monarchy has no real power. The Queen does not rule the country. She is no more a "head of state" than the President of the Soviet Union was (Look it up. They had a President, but the Premier had the power.) It's all about Pomp and Circumstance and Nostalgia for a lost Empire. Britannia no longer rules the waves. Lord Nelson is dead. It's over. I feel sorry for you. I really do. You were great, truly great. But you let your resentment, a resentment that is palpable in you, yourself, take over for your brains, so you basically cut off your nose to spite your face, using WWII as an excuse to do it, and now you hardly matter. And the funny thing is, you don't even recognize what happened. You don't know what you did. You resent your own history. But you are a shadow of your former self. And the ironic thing is, the only thing keeping you afloat is the tourist trade, people spending money at your over-priced dingy hotels to see the big houses you effectively stole and witness the remnants of the monarchy you hate so much, or visit HMS Victory. It's certainly not for English weather, the lack of hospitality or the God-awful food. So go ahead. Abolish the monarchy. Blow up the castles and the big houses. (The Marquess of Bath's is my favorite, though I'm sure you hate him, too.) And deal with the result. Paint you faces blue and pretend you are civilized.

a reply to: schuyler

Lol, and yet you still support a constitutional monarchy, what country are you even from?
You sound like a confirmed serf?

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: schuyler

Lol, and yet you still support a constitutional monarchy, what country are you even from? You sound like a confirmed serf?

You still refuse to get it. How dense can you be? I don't care about your God damned "constitutional monarchy" that doesn't exist. I would have voted against the Revolution, had I a vote. You are now relegated to the dustbin of history, begging on the street corners for a few coins from the tourists, who have come to see how great you used to be. At least relish that they still show up, because that's all you've got left. A sad end to a once great country.

a reply to: schuyler

Pmsl! 5th largest economy in the world last time I checked, we'll be okay without a constitutional monarchy fella...so again, which nation are you from?

EDIT
Just checked, yep 5th largest economy in the world, turned over 2.619 trillion USD last year and about 27 billion was from foreign tourists. You are full of # fella if you think Britain will be begging for scraps with no constitutional monarchy because tourists won't visit anymore, lol. You may be a retired librarian but you ain't no economist.
Anyway, I don't care, I am passionately against such an undemocratic system of government and head of state so I'll take the hit.
Now again, what nation are you from to give it large telling me I should accept a monarch because we need the tourism? Who the # are you to tell me or any other Brit we should for that matter?

a reply to: schuyler

No blowing up castles please I need one when the zombies come.

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: schuyler

No blowing up castles please I need one when the zombies come.

I’m pretty certain prince Phillip is a zombie!

a reply to: Whereismypassword

He is our favourite zombie mascot always a foot in his mouth while not giving a f.
I will miss him when he is gone.

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Whereismypassword

He is our favourite zombie mascot always a foot in his mouth while not giving a f.
I will miss him when he is gone.

Haha yes, he really doesn't give a # does he!
This is a funny compilation of his foot in mouth moments...

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

whit ye oan aboot he spends half his allowance on gear straight fae columbia thats no even been stepped on!

bet he has the coast guard ship it directly to his yacht club!


Aye he is defo punching above his weight !

a reply to: sapien82

Haha I agree, not cut even once, I'd do the same if I was in the firm to be fair.
Actually I'd probably shame the firm, I had a bit of a habit back in the day, I have to say no these days, can't trust myself lol

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

At least if that revolution ever happens, you'll know I'll be your enemy...watch out for CornishCeltGuy.

I have a feeling there would be flies on the wall of your domicile long before any revolution got underway. Bear in mind that I do not agree that our nation should be actively led by a monarchy - but she is a figurehead & nothing more. She does NOT have a say in the governance of this country, and so all your whining just reinforces the impression that you'd rather the nation become anarchic than accept the rule of law in the framework of a constitutional monarchy.

Perhaps we need the Royals to dial it back a bit, and perhaps we should dock their wages somewhat. But we do not stand at the brink of chaos & tragedy simply by virtue of having a queen for symbolic head of state. There is no value in stirring the pot with talk of revolution unless there has already been some sort of tyrannical oppression which can be traced back to the monarchy & the Commons/Lords. There are a substantial number of problems with tyranny at a pseudo-local level, all over the country - but it is large corporations which are responsible for the lion's share of them. The way corporations treat their 'human resources' is abominable in many, many cases - but none of that can be traced directly back to the government as a whole (elements within government may take action which oppresses a fixed group of persons, but the government as a whole is filled with decent, honest people who really do want to see the best for this nation). Neither can any of that corporate scandal be tied to anything the queen has said or done.

What needs to happen is an orchestrated series of actions by government against the largest corporate pirates & slavers abusing the underclasses with no living wage & zero hours contracts, etc. Retail & manufacturing has largely collapsed, and so our main problem is figuring out how to restructure our means & methods of interacting with commerce on smaller, niche scales, encouraging people to get creative, perhaps offering grants for technology start-ups where the person in charge is in a low income or social security situation.

Maybe we need to bin the notion that infinite growth is achievable, and get real. No nation has the potential for infinite economic growth, and neither does any corporation. But their practices, those which damage the well-being of the people, are rooted in the illusion/ myth that infinite growth can be attained. We need to learn to create a specialised, coordinated state of affairs vis a vis our economic stability & industry type focus, and we need to create stable financial models of steady returns within sensible & profitable boundaries - the psychopathic & ruthless decimation of people's livelihoods through mergers, acquisitions & bankruptcies arising from aggressive business practice should be halted, with a balanced & steady approach taking its place.

With automation & offshoring, with huge developments in online potential of new technologies, alongside town centre retail decline, humanity needs a new way to engage with the world of commerce, labour & income, union participation & social cohesion/ psychological well-being. Our problem is the movement of capital out of the country, and the loss of retail & manufacturing opportunities. STEM innovators & entrepreneurs, working in start-ups (or agile, lean business models) are those who should be promoted to lead the way. STEM innovation offers the solution to our nation's woes. There must be newer, better ways of managing the problems I've highlighted than burying our heads in the sand, or calling for revolution against a state which has been held to ransom by said corporations since God only knows when. There has to be a better way. Adopting a position of ignorance, or calling for a violent uprising, are both immature, juvenile positions to adopt. Agile STEM companies, supported by favourable legislation & funding opportunities, operating in the worlds of technology development & coding (etc), could take our concepts of engagement with design & innovation, commerce & retail, consumption & leisure, to the next level of human social evolution.

There's more that could be said, but it seems as though you wouldn't be open to hearing it, because it concerns the very fact of those Christian values, and national affiliation with the Anglican church - both of which you have dismissed out of hand as irrelevant. It's good to know that the system of laws, philosophy & religious experience which brought comfort to billions, which caused our legal system to develop into one of the best possible globally, which gave us a pioneering spirit to go out into the world & create new opportunities (not always conducted well, of course that is obvious) - that such a system is irrelevant, not worthy of understanding or special consideration as a key pillar of our innate 'national moral character', despite those values being handed down generation by generation, the driving force of our civilisation. I contend that it is perfectly reasonable that the religion & the institution of the Anglican church should be wedded to the nation's societal infrastructure - again, not directly affecting legislation or engaging in governance. Breaking away from the Roman church, which had grown appallingly corrupt & wicked, was the best thing that could have happened to this nation. We were reinvigorated, and set out to conquer both our cultural & personal character, based on fresh understanding of & access to the holy scripture. I agree that church & state should be functionally separate, although symbolic cultural union is perfectly reasonable and, I believe, an exemplar organisation contributing to the backbone of our national character & infrastructure.

I will leave you to continue rambling on in blind subservience to an immature attitude slanted towards the call for revolution. If the time comes, I will be alongside the people, facing down the tyranny, whether rooted in government, or in corporate mega-conglomerates, and I sincerely mean that. However, I don't think we're quite there yet - and in the meantime we have a duty to contribute & engage with society in positive ways, bringing light in darkness wherever it's possible for us to do so, for as long as it's possible to do so. As & when the day comes, I would be supportive of those subjugated by whichever tyrannical ruling or controlling power were so doing. But just give it a chance - encourage people to keep pressing forward with grass roots change. There's still so much good work that can be done within the infrastructure which exists presently, and there are enough good people within the system that we would be sufficiently forewarned, and any diabolic plan which might otherwise lead to dire circumstances is likely to unravel when the good guys get involved & slam on the brakes before the powers of law enforcement crack down inappropriately.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

At least if that revolution ever happens, you'll know I'll be your enemy...watch out for CornishCeltGuy.

There is no value in stirring the pot with talk of revolution unless there has already been some sort of tyrannical oppression which can be traced back to the monarchy & the Commons/Lords.

OK so there isnt any record of tyrannical oppression by the British Monarchs and no Oppression from the house of lords

Aye and Im yer maw

In any case , Yes a state of Anarchy would be preferable to this , Anarchy is fine , people are autonomous as long as they havent been spoon fed to be reliant on the state!

many of us would die off because they cant function without someone else holding their hands!
but those that remained would be solid human beings capable of remodeling the nation, as a real republic with a constitution that protects the planet , and all life on it !


and I think you forget that laws, philosophy and all the rest that came was not a result of government ! it was intelligent individuals with reasonable minds that pushed these ideas into the world and fought for their acceptance by monarch and then government!

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Interesting rant
You lost me at the point you defended the Church of England being involved in a 21st century form of government though. I would make the house of lords an elected chamber and make those bishops fight for their seats through votes.
But I guess if you believe in god then you will be influenced otherwise from blind faith.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

clealry you forget the abuse at the hands of the church in England , Scotland, Ireland and Wales!

not only were they #ing our children, they were making us pay taxes to the church !

and had been a staple in britain for hundreds of years!

Church and Crown only spells oppression and abuse to me!

You also forget the abuse our own government have taken out on the people of the UK

just curious as to what you consider oppression of the masses or abuse ?, if not child abuse cover ups , taxation , forcing people into poverty through draconian laws which only serve to line the pockets of the elite ruling classes!

How far back do ye want to go here ? British history is full of Abuse and Oppression , by church , crown and state !