OPCW preparing to visit syria.

The OPCW are getting ready to enter Syria and investigate the alleged CW attack with the intent on establishing verification on the alleged incident.
Both Russia and Syria have asked for this to happen, hopefully nothing will prevent the OPCW finally providing the truth of the matter one way or the other. Personally, I think they're going to struggle if they need to pin this on anybody, particularly Assad but as ever, we'll have to wait and see what transpires.
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Well I wonder if we can look to the media for any hints if this is real or fake. Last night it seemed CNN wanted to talk about the FBI raiding President trumps personal lawyers office. What I am saying was the Syrian attack was not the lead story if this was a true event to me it would be the lead story. But like the OP said we will have to wait and see.

It's doubtful there was even a chemical attack in Douma in the first place. There were lots of prisoners who were held there by terrorists.

a reply to: Fermy


Which means their will be no US attack until they return. Mabey. Or they will attack before they find out that their was no chemical attack.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Fermy


Which means their will be no US attack until they return. Mabey. Or they will attack before they find out that their was no chemical attack.

I don't think the US cares about an investigation. They want Assad dead because he's Russia's man.

a reply to: Fermy

Even if it was a rogue Syrian commander or unit that launched the attack neither the Syrians or Russians are going to admit to it. Think of the timeline since the alleged incident? The Russians and Syrians were in control of that area shortly after the alleged incident. Do you really expect the OPCW to find any evidence? If it was Syrian helicopters that dropped the ordnance then every single piece of those canisters are going to have been removed. The agent used would likely have been non-persistent and the area where the canisters impacted would have been cleaned up and flushed with large amounts of water. I would guess that it was Chlorine that was used and to cover the tracks for any chlorine traces left then the OPCW inspectors will be directed to a rebel chlorine stash that was just conveniently found in the area. There isn't a hope in hell of the OPCW inspectors finding anything left if it was a Syrian chemical attack. The Russian decontamination teams will have been busy eliminating all traces.

The big question is what happened to the people that were seen in the videos of the alleged chemical attacks or the people giving them medical assistance? What happened to them after the Syrians took the area? The Syrians say that nobody was taken to hospitals suffering from the effects of a chemical attack. Surely the vast majority of those people in the videos can be identified so why haven't they been heard from again? Surely the Syrians themselves would have been able to identify those people in the videos and presented and identified them as not actually suffering from chemical contamination as they fell into government hands? The horrific thing that crosses my mind is that those people that survived have been part of the "clean up" Horrific to think about but surely some human rights group or UN teams are attempting to track down and identify the people in those videos?

originally posted by: tommyjo
a reply to: Fermy

Even if it was a rogue Syrian commander or unit that launched the attack neither the Syrians or Russians are going to admit to it. Think of the timeline since the alleged incident? The Russians and Syrians were in control of that area shortly after the alleged incident. Do you really expect the OPCW to find any evidence? If it was Syrian helicopters that dropped the ordnance then every single piece of those canisters are going to have been removed. The agent used would likely have been non-persistent and the area where the canisters impacted would have been cleaned up and flushed with large amounts of water. I would guess that it was Chlorine that was used and to cover the tracks for any chlorine traces left then the OPCW inspectors will be directed to a rebel chlorine stash that was just conveniently found in the area. There isn't a hope in hell of the OPCW inspectors finding anything left if it was a Syrian chemical attack. The Russian decontamination teams will have been busy eliminating all traces.

The big question is what happened to the people that were seen in the videos of the alleged chemical attacks or the people giving them medical assistance? What happened to them after the Syrians took the area? The Syrians say that nobody was taken to hospitals suffering from the effects of a chemical attack. Surely the vast majority of those people in the videos can be identified so why haven't they been heard from again? Surely the Syrians themselves would have been able to identify those people in the videos and presented and identified them as not actually suffering from chemical contamination as they fell into government hands? The horrific thing that crosses my mind is that those people that survived have been part of the "clean up" Horrific to think about but surely some human rights group or UN teams are attempting to track down and identify the people in those videos?

Why would they even use chlorine? They got far nastier things like thermobarics and clusters. Unless they got bored and decided to drop some chlorine just to stir up an international crisis the likes of which has never been seen since the Cuban missile crisis? Just for fun?

A boy listed as dead came back to life. OPCW must interview him to find out what happened.

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originally posted by: tommyjo
a reply to: Fermy

Even if it was a rogue Syrian commander or unit that launched the attack neither the Syrians or Russians are going to admit to it. Think of the timeline since the alleged incident? The Russians and Syrians were in control of that area shortly after the alleged incident. Do you really expect the OPCW to find any evidence? If it was Syrian helicopters that dropped the ordnance then every single piece of those canisters are going to have been removed. The agent used would likely have been non-persistent and the area where the canisters impacted would have been cleaned up and flushed with large amounts of water. I would guess that it was Chlorine that was used and to cover the tracks for any chlorine traces left then the OPCW inspectors will be directed to a rebel chlorine stash that was just conveniently found in the area. There isn't a hope in hell of the OPCW inspectors finding anything left if it was a Syrian chemical attack. The Russian decontamination teams will have been busy eliminating all traces.

The big question is what happened to the people that were seen in the videos of the alleged chemical attacks or the people giving them medical assistance? What happened to them after the Syrians took the area? The Syrians say that nobody was taken to hospitals suffering from the effects of a chemical attack. Surely the vast majority of those people in the videos can be identified so why haven't they been heard from again? Surely the Syrians themselves would have been able to identify those people in the videos and presented and identified them as not actually suffering from chemical contamination as they fell into government hands? The horrific thing that crosses my mind is that those people that survived have been part of the "clean up" Horrific to think about but surely some human rights group or UN teams are attempting to track down and identify the people in those videos?

Assad isn't some mass murderer as MSM made out to believe. He let anyone who don't want to stay leave to northern Syria and anyone who stayed were pardoned. Assad does not kill anyone he does not have to kill.

The entire battle killed about 2,000 people out of 400,000. The casualty rate was kept very low.

Or, maybe, just maybe, both Assad and Putin are clinically insane. Instead of using thermobarics and clusters, they drop some ineffective chlorine just so they can start WW3. Maybe, just maybe, they are both clinically insane. That's the only explanation.

In that case, yeah, the world will be nukes and, just like we wonder why we can't find alien civilizations, aliens will wonder why there is no life on Earth, duh, because humans nuked themselves.

originally posted by: JHammon


Why would they even use chlorine? They got far nastier things like thermobarics and clusters. Unless they got bored and decided to drop some chlorine just to stir up an international crisis the likes of which has never been seen since the Cuban missile crisis? Just for fun?

Because "they" thought they could get away with it. Also consider that it could have been a rogue commander or unit but there is no way that Assad is going to admit to that so they deny and cover up.

I bet not a scrap of chemical ordnance or canister will be found that could link back to Syrian forces? For example if this footage is from Douma then I bet that canister is long gone. It will be interesting if the residence can be identified by the OPCW team, but I bet the canister has long since gone.



There was also a claimed use of Chlorine by Syrian Forces in Douma earlier this year. Iranian 107mm rockets were identified. Chlorine has also been used by rebel forces.

Bellingcat Link

originally posted by: tommyjo

originally posted by: JHammon


Why would they even use chlorine? They got far nastier things like thermobarics and clusters. Unless they got bored and decided to drop some chlorine just to stir up an international crisis the likes of which has never been seen since the Cuban missile crisis? Just for fun?

Because "they" thought they could get away with it. Also consider that it could have been a rogue commander or unit but there is no way that Assad is going to admit to that so they deny and cover up.

I bet not a scrap of chemical ordnance or canister will be found that could link back to Syrian forces? For example if this footage is from Douma then I bet that canister is long gone. It will be interesting if the residence can be identified by the OPCW team, but I bet the canister has long since gone.

There was also a claimed use of Chlorine by Syrian Forces in Douma earlier this year. Iranian 107mm rockets were identified. Chlorine has also been used by rebel forces.

Bellingcat Link

Oh, so they were bored and decided to play a game called WW2. Gotcha. So they are both crazy men. Damned. WW3 and the world will be nuked.

a reply to: JHammon

You aren't thinking logically. Think of it from the perspective of a local Syrian commanders losing men trying to eliminate a pocket of rebels. He doesn't think of the bigger consequences but sees a chance to finally eliminate the holed up group in the basements of that area. Horrific as it is the likes of Chlorine will do the job. He believes that Chlorine is acceptable in order to break the final pocket of resistance. It might not have been directly ordered by Assad but simply a commander operating on his own without thinking through his actions.

originally posted by: tommyjo
a reply to: JHammon

You aren't thinking logically. Think of it from the perspective of a local Syrian commanders losing men trying to eliminate a pocket of rebels. He doesn't think of the bigger consequences but sees a chance to finally eliminate the holed up group in the basements of that area. Horrific as it is the likes of Chlorine will do the job. He believes that Chlorine is acceptable in order to break the final pocket of resistance. It might not have been directly ordered by Assad but simply a commander operating on his own without thinking through his actions.

They have thermobarics and cluster incendiaries which are far more effective than a can of chlorine. Plus, the city was under siege and running out of supplies anyway. The city surrendered on April 8. No need to use a can of chlorine to take the city and risk WW3 when they didn't have to use it.

Notice the can supposedly broke the cement and wiring in the roof yet the bed is undamaged. Notice the can is not even opened. Seems like fake and not even filmed in Douma.

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originally posted by: JoeHammon

They have thermobarics and cluster incendiaries which are far more effective than a can of chlorine. Plus, the city was under siege and running out of supplies anyway. The city surrendered on April 8. No need to use a can of chlorine to take the city and risk WW3 when they didn't have to use it.

Correct but think about a commander losing men and wanting revenge? Lapse of judgement by a commander under pressure?

originally posted by: JoeHammon
Notice the can supposedly broke the cement and wiring in the roof yet the bed is undamaged. Notice the can is not even opened. Seems like fake and not even filmed in Douma.

southfront.org...

So if it is filmed in Douma then it should still be there and the OPCW inspectors will have access to it. Notice the second video in the link that you posted? If that can be geo-located to Douma then that canister should still be there and available to the OPCW inspectors.

originally posted by: JoeHammon
Notice the can supposedly broke the cement and wiring in the roof yet the bed is undamaged. Notice the can is not even opened. Seems like fake and not even filmed in Douma.

southfront.org...

Further to my last the video has been geo-located to Douma. The very same building apartment that the Russians can be seen entering. Remember they claimed nothing was found. So the question is who cleaned up the area and removed the canisters? Looks like the OPCW inspectors have some sleuthing to do!

Bellingcat Link showing geo-location of canister video

a reply to: tommyjo

Chlorine isn't a registered chemical weapon. It can be used as an ineffective chemical weapons, but so can carbon dioxide. Anything heavier than air can displace air and choke people if used in very large quantities in closed spaces.

originally posted by: tommyjo
a reply to: Fermy


The big question is what happened to the people that were seen in the videos of the alleged chemical attacks or the people giving them medical assistance? What happened to them after the Syrians took the area? The Syrians say that nobody was taken to hospitals suffering from the effects of a chemical attack. Surely the vast majority of those people in the videos can be identified so why haven't they been heard from again? Surely the Syrians themselves would have been able to identify those people in the videos and presented and identified them as not actually suffering from chemical contamination as they fell into government hands? The horrific thing that crosses my mind is that those people that survived have been part of the "clean up" Horrific to think about but surely some human rights group or UN teams are attempting to track down and identify the people in those videos?

Good question. Sad very sad if true