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Russia can't stop chemical weapons attacks in countries they oversee? Why?

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posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 05:12 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Where are the rebel air fields or the places the accused rebels aircrafts used in this attack are located/stored?

Who then has aircraft access? Where did the helicopter or aircraft that done bombing go?




posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 05:28 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

I dont think anyone is saying the free syrian army has an air force. Assad&friends have air superiority west of the Euphrates. 100%. But if Assad is known to bomb a certain area, then it is plausible that the free syrian army could set off chemical weapons that area when the bombing starts. Then everyone just sees bombs getting dropped and people start foaming at the mouth. Thats enough evidence for the media and now adays anything that involves more than 2 steps is dismissed as conspiracy theories.



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 05:39 AM
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a reply to: Whoisjohngalt

So, your view in support of Syria regime non involvement is the mentioned helicopter(s) were Syrian regime or related government like Russia aircraft doing bombings in the area and the rebel ground forces simultaneously set off chemical weapons why at the same time escaping the blast from both the aircraft and chemical explosions? 🤔


edit on 4/8/18 by Ophiuchus 13 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 05:54 AM
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originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
If Russia and the United States are in a war to the point where both parties are almost terminated, how is the U.S. going to retain any force projection ability, let alone the ability to have any influence regarding oil under israel... We are either going to be in the picture at full strength (for the FORESEEABLE future) Or things here at home have gotten so truly f'd in the a that we are going to be on the sidelines at the international level while americans are eating roasted rat fighting off radioactive mutants.

Ever wondered why the popular TV series 'eRevolution' got canned ?
Why ? Americans started to see where their country was going with a civil war between Pro-Trump and Pro-Hillary. The TV series shows America being slowly wiped out.

America has produced all those 'sand colour' military vehicles that are now in the M.E. Remember all those vehicles being transported on US Train flatbeds during JADE Helm ?

America can go one of 3 ways.
1) Hunger Games: JADE Helm with the 10 Districts
2) Copy South Africa with the current Anti-WHITE turning into a genocide.
3) Somehow, Trump is in control and all Deep State heads and assets are terminated today.

Notice all of the US military aircraft crashing recently ? Where were all the computer chips made ? Many like Apple are moving to China. Maybe they know America will soon be no more.



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 06:01 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Kinda. I mean, regarding free syrian rebels escaping the blast of barrel bombs, its not like Assad is dropping JDAMs. A barrel bomb is like a small-ish IED that gets thrown out of a helicopter. A metal barrel with high explosives and shrapnel. Not a really the best for demolition, more of a cheap anti personal weapon. You can add fuel to it for a little thermobaric effect but its usually outdoors so thats meh. So to escape the blast wave yoy would just need to be on the other side of a good building. Or the other side of whats left of a good building. Its a warzone. Gooding buildings are hard to find. Anyway, a building would protect them. Also you should be able to set off chemical weapons from behind a building and still get the desired area effect. And as long as the guys setting it off have on protective equipment, they should be fine.
Also im not saying this is what happened. Im just saying that it is one of the possible moves in the 3D chess game that is geopolitics. A very plausible move. And before the US risks american lives in a conflict that doesnt threaten the homeland, we should atleast be sure of the facts.



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 06:21 AM
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originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

And before the US risks american lives in a conflict that doesnt threaten the homeland, we should atleast be sure of the facts.

Makes sense.

My point is Syria is basically a Russia proxy and look what untrustworthy activities against mankind keep happening there with chemical weapons.

There were helicopters mentioned near the area during the attack, I mentioned the rebels have no air offense. Your response was maybe the rebels released chemical weapons when Syria air force or supporting groups bombed from air.
My response to that was it would take a lot, for the ground based rebels to dodge air bombings from air forces in the mentioned helicopter(s) following your premise and then release the chemicals and get away.

Further input is, if rebels have these chemical weapons stockpiled then why has not Assad with support of Putin found & destroyed them after multiple attacks on the innocent? If it's the rebels? Following your premise.

Or is the Russian influence limited with assisting Syria in preventing such acts...



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

It would be easier for chemical weapons to be from Assad yes. Its not the smart move, and i assume he'd make the smart move, but im also not a Syrian doctor dictator (doctator?) so i could be wrong. It wouldnt be that much easier though. The free syria army isnt dodging guided missiles to do this. The barrels bombs are not guided or really aimed anymore than a dude looking out of a helicopter with his eyeballs. They arent fire precision strikes against targets. They are to kill things in rebel territory, be it a fighter, an old lady, or a child, and really make the rebels think about whether they wanna keep fighter and making life as unpleasant for them as possible. And if you play the odds, its not to difficult to not get hit.

If Assad could go in and search every microwave sized space that could be hiding a chemical artillery warhead, then there wouldnt really be a war going on. He would have those territories. If you can effectively search an area that large for the length of time it would take to conclusively say there is not half a dozen chemical artillery shells somewhere without everyone shooting at you, then you control that area. Syria is about a 1/3 smaller than it was 10 years ago. And Assad is powerless to do anything about that right now. Even with russia. And of 2/3rds that he CAN fight over, about 1/5 of the geographic area is held by parties that oppose the regime. Thats a lot of area when you have to keep fighting groups that keep retreating back to the 1/3 of your country that is off limits to you. So in essence Assads forces cant search for weapons because they LITERALLY CANT SEARCH FOR WEAPONS. Cause someone will shoot the searchers in the face. Rightfully soo, its a war after all.

As for russias influence, The main thing russia does for Assand is throwing the weight of russia behind Assad. That alliance is what is keeping several dozen tomahawk missiles from landing in the presidential palace. They also selectively provide anti air defenses. And some combat support. But the full might of the russian army is not in syria. And they are not doing the heavy fighting. Atleast not the official russian army. Russia isnt doing to hot right now domestically and putin doesnt want images of dead russian soldiers going around. Polonium is expensive and there isnt enough to go around for everybody. Putin has to be careful not to get involved in another Chechnya. So the russian support isnt all its cracked up to be.



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
How would Russian's stop CIA funded terrorists from attacking anything with anything every time before it happens?



It's their territory and happening under their watch. I thought Putin was a big man and takes responsibility for what he oversees?



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
Why cannot the Super power of Russia, who is working directly with the Syrian regime prevent these ignorant chemical attacks in the region...

Are the Russian influences that limited?

Or influencing the ignorance?

What if any is or could be the benefit


PREVENT them? Ever thought they could BEHIND them?



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 09:59 AM
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Maybe putin, did not want to prevent it.


It won’t be much longer now, you truly have to have your head buried under the sand to not see war(s) on the horizon..

Not doom porn either, just go get caught up on the current events of the past couple years are notice the tension/rise of action...



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 10:06 AM
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originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Russia, Iran, and Syria are winning against the western backed rebels... They the west, Saudi, and Israel are losing face and need a new rah rah cause..


So with no facts you blame the west including USA, Saudi, and Israel?
Making sure I understand you clearly?


The west is the biggest danger to ww3. With Russia, they are desperate for everyone to see them in a bad light, and you have to ask yourself why. They are blaming Russia with cyber attacks, influencing elections, and poisoning, with no evidence to back up anything.

Now, let's see what the west has done in the last decade or so. Illegal war with Iraq and Libya, that has been responsible for thousands of deaths and more terrorism in the West.

The west will be the cause of ww3, but they have brainwashed and conditioned most if the population with fake news, propaganda and patriotism for your country.



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Russia, Iran, and Syria are winning against the western backed rebels... They the west, Saudi, and Israel are losing face and need a new rah rah cause..


So with no facts you blame the west including USA, Saudi, and Israel?
Making sure I understand you clearly?



Ummm...so with no facts your blaming Russia...Syria...and Iran...?

I just wanted to make sure I understood you clearly...





YouSir



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 10:36 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky


Ummm...you just have to look at the comment from Lindsey Graham...McCain's butt buddy...to understand the who...and the why...



Meanwhile, Sen. Lindsey Graham told ABC in response to Mr. Trump's tweets on Sunday that this was a "defining moment" for the president. "He has challenged Assad in the past not to use chemical weapons," said Graham. He added, "if it becomes a tweet without meaning then he's hurt himself in North Korea, if he doesn't follow through and live up to that tweet, he's going to look weak in the eyes of and Russia and Iran." Graham urged Mr. Trump to "show a resolve that Obama never did to get this right."









YouSir



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

It is odd the West is and has on a political perspective damaged relations with Russia and China. As if it was on a script.

Escalating geo political tensions will lead to violence Syria, will remain chaos hell I don’t even think that country has a gdp only reason Russia cares about Syria is for the strategic position the guy who should be humiliated for calling Syria a country Assad.

I stopped a few years ago trying to understand all of this the why? What for? Etc.

My best guess would be since the USA has a 21 trillion dollar debt that continues to grow by the thousands every second its just a matter of time until the illusion dissolves.

I dunno just my opinion. I don’t condone killing kids and more or less homeless people with chemicals thou, that is pretty sick 💩

Not to mention, I don’t think any country in 2018 has a budget or a surplus no country is in the black folks.. Does that mean our system is broken?
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posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13
All Pre-planned as long ago as Feb 22, 2018.

Notice how the US State Department
tells the MSM to focus on East Ghouda as they knew that a unique event would light the WW3 kinderbox.

FF to @13:55
@14:20 '...we can shine a spotlight on that ...'

Time to get to Peace with God because it looks like this old world order is about to get burned real badly as the West goes to war with Russia and China.
edit on 8-4-2018 by Rapha because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

I'm in a quagmire. I just want to know if chemical weapons were used. Would like to know who used them. Who's evidence as to who used them am I to believe? I see neither side having much credibility. It is flucking mess.



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
a reply to: 727Sky

Also if Russia, Iran, and Syria are winning why cannot they prevent these chemical attacks?


Because they haven't won yet.

I could equally say why are terrorist attacks still happening in the West or why are rebels still shooting artillery at Damascus.



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 12:27 PM
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Absurd to believe The Syrian government would order a chem attack on an area 2km long and rapidly shrinking,esp with their forces in the area,and downtown core.
It was discovered a few weeks ago a chemical productions facility in rebel-held E-ghouta,it was known the rebels had possession.
Zero to gain for Assad's government and everything for the Western Coalition.



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Russia, Iran, and Syria are winning against the western backed rebels... They the west, Saudi, and Israel are losing face and need a new rah rah cause..


So with no facts you blame the west including USA, Saudi, and Israel?
Making sure I understand you clearly?



Ummm...so with no facts your blaming Russia...Syria...and Iran...?

I just wanted to make sure I understood you clearly...





YouSir

No, what I am saying is that Syria is a proxy of the super power Russia so why cannot Russia prevent the chemical attacks. Sort of like North Korea is a China proxy and the Chinese keep them in line sort of. Further into my question what is being asked is, is Russia ok with Assad regime releasing these chemical weapons upon innocent children and adults. Or are Russia strengths limited in the region of Syria to prevent these primitive attacks...
I thought it was pretty clear YouSir?



posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 02:29 PM
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Just to get clear on this, some of you feel this chemical attack is the fault of the West or USA-ISRAEL and SAUDI ARABIA and not RUSSIA-IRAN and SYRIA?



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