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Will a new Fed/State battle finally bring about a new Civil Conflict in the US?

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posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 01:47 AM
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Considering how history portrays the original war of northern aggression nowadays, and the liberal idiocy that permeates and infects left coast politics, odds are that if Abraham Lincoln was president now, California would already be occupied territory.




posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 02:35 AM
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a reply to: matafuchs

yes, the fault is society, not one leading the parade or the shlit show in the government capital...
the state of affairs has nothing to do with the 2016 elections and all who died or suffered or humiliated in that election cycle.


the problem with the country is the fault of kids, guns, race, the government, dems, libs, the 'left', the middle, or the libertarians; the Supreme leader is faultless.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 02:40 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: matafuchs

Just curious.

I wonder what impact the media had on the Civil War (the first one).

Before, during, and after.



I've read that the Telegraph was invented around that time. Reports were sent to the North about what was going on, therefore giving the North the advantage.

Then again, history is written by the victors!
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posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 03:11 AM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: DBCowboy

You saw a large rise in Newspapers but realize that the information they had was days or weeks old sometimes. It was though the first time in the US there was a real 'media' push to shape opinion.

Now, a media outlet can say " CIA director nominee directly waterboarded prisoners" and set a retraction the next day. Too late. No one reads the retraction because all they read are headlines. As long as you state partial truth in the story the headline means nothing.

I cannot remember the name but I read a good book about it and the influence of the government. Pretty interesting.




Young idealist hawking everything to buy their printing press.

Ahh those were the days my friend.

Asexual school marms.

People arbitrailary getting shot up left and right.

and don't forget the railroad commin through.






posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 03:36 AM
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a reply to: matafuchs

Like shelling CNN studios?

Or droning morning joe?

Rachel has a forehead made for a .50cal sniper rifle.

don't these idiots know the media would be shut down first?




posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 03:47 AM
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a reply to: Justso




Not many could read. It was between the elitist plantation owners in the south and the new industrialists in the north.


Actually, a great many people could read and write back then. There are many many, diaries, letters, biographies, etc. written by the soldiers themselves that anyone can check out of a library and read.

If you would read some of these letters etc. You would see that you are totally wrong and "elitist plantation owners" were not the reason the South wanted to secede.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 05:57 AM
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a reply to: matafuchs

If you haven't noticed the liberals are using ,race,sexual preferences,immigrants,anything they can think of to cause civil war,their ignorance shown thru their leaders,all Democrats are promised 99 virgins if they destroy the country,no gender barriers



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 06:25 AM
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I'm thinking Cali is gonna set it off. I don't think anyone else is stupid or brave enough to try except Texas but that would require a Dem president doing things more wacky than Obama did. And in the latter I'd probably support them.

It wouldn't surprise me either if Cali go into a war with itself because the coast vs inland are so vastly different.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: matafuchs

Freedom, liberty, justice and human rights were supplanted a long time ago. Now citizens are reduced to the right to be in eternal debt, detained without charge and sent to the hospital or morgue for 'non compliance'.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 08:51 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: matafuchs

Just curious.

I wonder what impact the media had on the Civil War (the first one).

Before, during, and after.



Sherman has a nice quote for you...


If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast.


Sherman, the man who basically burnt Georgia from Atlanta to Savannah didn't like reporters at all. He considered them spies.
Sherman Letters Show...



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 09:23 AM
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I think if these gun control people want our guns so bad, they should send THEM to come get them. See how long that lasts before minds are changed.

I don't think anything but trying to revoke our 2nd amendment will cause civil conflict.

Can't believe they are letting the age group that eats tide pods as a challenge Influence policy



Something w Hogg is waaaaY off
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posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

It needs to come. For all to form into ever larger concentrations until 2 sides form, and a new whole is made.

We wont fracture. We wont split. We will melt and fuse into a more manageable cluster fuff.

Every type of thing will happen in the transition, including SOME violence.

An auto attack wont happen since the whole point is to not get caught. That cant be assured under the right circumstances for a while now. Not soon enough before everything boils and cools over.

In our country's case, mob violence may be the most extreme violent acts we see and only for short periods of time.

Eventually one side wins in the grand scale of the social struggle beyond the mobs in the streets. The most worthy and strongest usually.

Mass conversions follow on both sides until a universal consensus is reached.

I think it will be scarier than actually dangerous for most who will live through it.

Bad things will happen, but Im really not that worried about it. Its not blind faith. I just see a natural order to things playing out.

Everything was damned up and artificially controlled. Everything lacks balance now. Something has to give and thats ok.


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posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: Cancerwarrior

Spent my life studying the Civil War-Jefferson Davis was my grandmother's cousin.

As people say, everyone has an opinion like they have a -----.

Suggesting someone is ill-informed because you do not agree with them, is not especially a good way to communicate your own opinion.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

I think we all experienced huge changes during the 60s in just about every arena of our culture.

Unfortunately, there was alot of rioting, government interference, and angry people. And we can't forget the devastating Viet Nam War and military industrial complex.

We didn't have media exposure like today but the 6 o'clock news was a must.

We are in the middle of extremes again-I do fear you are correct-we will suffer through a period of much more civil unrest. I just hope we come out on the other side as a less divided country.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: Justso
a reply to: tadaman

I think we all experienced huge changes during the 60s in just about every arena of our culture.

Unfortunately, there was alot of rioting, government interference, and angry people. And we can't forget the devastating Viet Nam War and military industrial complex.

We didn't have media exposure like today but the 6 o'clock news was a must.

We are in the middle of extremes again-I do fear you are correct-we will suffer through a period of much more civil unrest. I just hope we come out on the other side as a less divided country.


The future looks like starship troopers i am afraid. All the libs are just about dead in that future.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: odzeandennz

Who 'died' during the election cycle? Who suffered?



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 05:55 PM
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I believe there could be a civil war. But, it will be short lived. Mainly because there are 23.8 million veterans in the US. There are 14.8 million that could walk into combat tomorrow. That would be the largest Army ever assembled.

The war is going to be between the extreme left like BAMN, Antifa, etc. and the center and right of the US. The extreme left have stated outright they want to overthrow the state and bring in socialism or communism. The vast majority of US citizens and the government wants nothing to do with a system of government that has failed everywhere it was tried. They don't seem to realize that us vets have been fighting communists all over the world for the last 100 years.

Most Americans like America the way it is. We have been the most successful country in the world in just 200+ years. There is a reason we have done so well and it certainly is not socialism. You can have some social programs, but not a socialist government. We all acknowledge there are problems that need addressed in the US, but that doesn't entail throwing out our form of government and erecting a socialist government.

Most of these young kids that support socialism do so because they want to get paid for being alive, have a free house, free education, free health care, free, free, free stuff. They don't understand that they will not be handed a middle class lifestyle, but will be living in poverty like happens in every other socialist country. If you talk to them they really don't have a clue.

As far as states vs. the federal government, I don't think that will happen. They are more about fighting it out in the courts. There is the possibility that if a state did try to secede from the union there could be a federal response. However, the state would lose that war. Unless a bunch of states banded together and decided to secede, I don't think they would have a chance.

Make no mistake about it, the current group of extreme left taking over the DNC and the Democrat Party are all about socialism. If you read the "Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals" at the link below, you will realize that many of them have already occurred and along with others are what we hear from the leftists.

All people have to do is understand where these things came from. Obviously things in the world have changed since 1963 and as a result some of those goals listed are obsolete. However, the plan was a long term plot and you can see it has made quite a bit of progress. I sometimes question if the left really understands where some of the ideas they support originated from. Regardless, if things progress as they have in the last 20 years and the severe polarity seen in the country today continues then war is a very real possibility.


The Communist Takeover Of
America - 45 Declared Goals



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

None of the dems and libs that I know want war of any kind.


In fact I only know one person that wants to use his gun to kill someone.
And that guy is a super raciest conservative drug dealer.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 10:34 PM
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See....

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posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 06:34 AM
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a reply to: Justso




Suggesting someone is ill-informed because you do not agree with them


That's the thing about history, its based on facts and not opinions, but hey cling to whatever worldview you like.

Back to the OP, a war nowadays would never happen. Or it would be extremely short lived. I can't see a bunch of bong toting, dildo loving leftists having any kind of stomach for a real war.
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