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Printable bullets soon available & homemade bullets are easy - How Cali regulate this?

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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:57 PM
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Doing background checks to buy ammo!? That would make me REALLY mad and I'd work on a way to fix this so I don't need to buy them.

First off the art of making one's own bullets has been around since before the Rev war and they would make musket balls and later cast bullets for muzzleloaders and then when jacketed rifle bullets came out, these were difficult to do without specialized equipment (many people have a lot of the stuff to do it if they are a DIY'er) and this is called bullet swaging and a person can make bullets as accurate as the ones you buy in stores. Now people can't make their won brass without a lot effort and equipment but it can be done if needed. Brass can often be interchangable for other rifle calibers as they can be re-sized or the brass can be used in the manufacture of the bullet (swaging process). Reloading shotgun shells has been a big thing for at least 40 years, maybe longer.

Now there may be a much easier way to make very high quality bullets and that is with a special type of 3d laser printing or 3d printing with a special material that is super dense (almost as dense as lead) but it isn't toxic like lead and can be used to hunt waterfowl. This stuff looks like plastic and is often green, yellow, orange or reddish in color. It is possible to place a core on the printing table and print the bullet around the core, possibly making an armor piercing (AP) round.

The next and latest option is the printable metal bullets. IDK what the starting material is of the bullet material (powder I'm guessing, or maybe a salt or oxide??) but they are often heat sintered and or laser sintered as the layers are built up forming the bullet shape. I would suspect that a setup to make these could be very affordable within the next couple years ($2,000-10,000 for home models depending on how many options you need and speed). These should be able to easily make AP rounds and even explosive rounds.

Finally the brass will have to be bought, but again, this can be made by buying brass sheets of the proper type and stamping circles and putting it through a few presses, drawing out through dies, trimming, drilling, etc. This could be done for custom sizes as well.

Gun powder can be made, even smokeless if you can find the correct recipes. Black powder isn't really used for rifles or hand guns or shot guns but it is possible to make that very easily. There was a lot of research that went into making commercial powder and IDK if the recipes are public or not.

Primers aren't much of an issue to make, if you need to do it, It is dangerous to some level, but with proper care, not to much of a risk.

Well that's it, there really is a way to make a bullet from scratch without much effort with current equipment. When the printers come out then it will get really interesting because swaging is time consuming. Printable guns will not be able to be regulated out of existence and I'm sure there will be a way to figure out ways to make barrels that last a fair number of rounds, or print a receiver for the barrel and go from there. I woulnd't doubt that we could soon be able to print actual smokless powders sometime soon (3-10 years) where you just need specific chemicals and a machine combines them and passes them through a catalyst chamber (pressure & heat) and then spit out like ink on an inkjet printer.

So I want to know what the Left is going to do when all of the above is possible and all of it can be bought used on Craigslist for like $500 for an entire setup of used equipment? Maybe then they will ban targets, scopes, slings, holsters


PS: WAY TO GO EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Now all we need is printable primers and gunpowder.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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Eventually gun control laws won't matter. Then we can move on to more important issues facing our country. Personally, I look forward to that day.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 04:21 PM
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I haven't heard much talk from the Canadian government about things like this, which is kind interesting. With 3d printing technology I would be able to make not only restricted weapons, but entirely illegal ones too and with the ability to 3d print ammo becoming a realistic possibility I'm surprised there really hasn't been a lot of news or people freaking out about it up here.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof

I knew this was coming.
After vegas i figured the guy had a 3d printer but looks like the feds say otherwise even though the first thing out of the hotel room were "computer devices".



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 04:25 PM
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I live in the free state of Tennessee, I order it on the internet and in a few days it shows up at the office.

If you don't like your laws, change them! Or change your law makers. Everyone get a vote, use it.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 06:24 PM
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Next gen tech. Nano warfare using printable nano tech bullets.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 06:33 PM
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As a long time competitor of shooting events( 1000 meter rifle, 800 meter rapid fire relay, 3 gun, and skeet).
I can tell you there is no way the consistency is good enough for anything over 250 meters. Yes pistols, shotgun shells/slugs, and garbage rounds for ar platforms. However, sloppy dirty rounds cause damage to barrels and receivers, gas blocks and bolts. Not to mention your accuracy will be complete sh#t.

Anyone who has the money and brains to run these machines is probably smart enough to invest their time and energy into a more profitable scenario.

You don't need any high tech equipment to cast rounds usable for common criminals.
And anyone with a brain would be printing firearms parts that are throw aways without serials.

You don't need anything more than a good ass beating to get someone to transfer their crypto cash into your account. Why even bring a gun into that scenario?
Who's going to admit they had a couple hundred grand undeclared and untaxed?
Noone.

I would be more concerned about someone who bought 5k worth of chemicals that go boom, than some dipsh#t with a metal printer.

Just my opinion.

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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: dug88
I haven't heard much talk from the Canadian government about things like this, which is kind interesting.



Canada has 30 million people, the US has 300 million.

So...only 1/10th of the people in Canada would be likely to be on to the same things as people in the US.

And...only 1 guy in the US has posted 3D gun making on YouTube so far,

So..since there's no such thing as 1/10th of a person...Canada just hasn't gotten around to this being a problem, yet.




posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: Nickn3
Everyone get a vote, use it.


What for?



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: Hewhowaits

I can tell you there is no way the consistency is good enough for anything over 250 meters.


I think the idea here, is that, if I don't have a license for a gun, and no factory made gun in my possession, yet, still, if a burglar breaks into my home, while he's rummaging around downstairs, I can still run over to my 3D printer and print out a gun and some bullets, then run downstairs and confront him, firing my homemade bullets at close range, to protect myself and my family.

And the burglar has to worry about everybody having that capability, even though the strict gun laws have disarmed the population, and would normally make it easy for the thief to do his business unmolested.




posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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Calif laws laws covers loaded ammo only.

I can get everything as components and load the ammo my self and never come under the calif law and can buy all the components out of state without restrictions



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Oh, my bad. I didn't realize this was on demand, 12 seconds to a defensive firearm + ammo machine. ...
Got it.
Lol



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof


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posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof
A socialist communist state does not require reason, nor justification, to pass it's oppressive laws. They simply dictate their wishes to their puppets and a law will be passed.



posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 12:27 AM
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There is a kid with a YouTube video who 3D printed his own bump stock. People have been making Ghost-Guns for a while now.

For all their effort the ATF can't keep a lid on it.

In theory printable bullets would be the next logical step.



posted on Mar, 11 2018 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
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Gun powder can be made, even smokeless if you can find the correct recipes. Black powder isn't really used for rifles or hand guns or shot guns but it is possible to make that very easily. There was a lot of research that went into making commercial powder and IDK if the recipes are public or not.

Primers aren't much of an issue to make, if you need to do it, It is dangerous to some level, but with proper care, not to much of a risk.
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While I agree in principle, you've minimalised the two elements that are actually the most challenging. A double-base propellant is within the scope of a home lab, but making one that (i) functions safely in your firearm, and (ii) that you can make with sufficient consistency between batches, provides a serious hurdle. It's not just the composition, it's the mechanical aspects such as grain size, shape, etc, that all feed into how the propellant works. It's the bit that, if you get it wrong, might turn your rifle into a grenade by accident.

There's a reason why I hold a selection of powders for reloading and a great thick book full of loading data - different firearms need to be fed different things, in different amounts.

Not saying it can't be done, but it's the bit you need to spend the most time and effort on developing before you try firing your first round.




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