They Need To Stop

saying that, "The rank-and-file agents of the FBI are not to blame for their bosses' crimes."

This is absolutely not what anyone needs to hear. Understanding that the perpetration of this vile and insidious thought that's being planted into the subconscious of the tax payers is why I signed up for an ATS account.

The rank-and-file agents of the FBI have a mandate to stop White Collar and Organized Crime. They have utterly failed this mandate.

The President needs to stand up. He needs to announce a public order to the FBI and he needs to do it just like this:

"You will arrest everyone involved in the White Collar Crimes that have occurred since the campaigns for the Presidential Election of 2016 began. You have exactly one week to begin taking the criminals into custody. If you fail: The FBI (all 35,000 of you Agents of The Law) are fired.

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What crimes have the FBI committed though?

They're investigating a range of potential crimes. That's not criminal.


Have you ever stopped to thought why Trump is thrashing about so desperately over this issue?

Do innocent men behave this way?

No, they really don't.

originally posted by: Painterz
Do innocent men behave this way?

And maybe that's the whole point of the Right's argument that, "This is not the fault of anyone in the Rank-and-File."

They're letting all 35,000 useless White Collar Crime investigators off the hook. There's 'bi-partisan guilt' everywhere you look. Those 35,000 tits-on-a-boar-hog agents are averaging $100,000 salaries that are paid for by the American tax payer. If they're not worth their salaries, they need to be cut loose.

When's the last time an FBI agent ever did anything good for any member of this site?

You assume Trump is clean. Let the investigations finish first.
If it is halted or Mueller rice is fired it just adds more suspicion to Trump. If he has nothing to hide let the investigations finish.

originally posted by: Deplorable
saying that, "The rank-and-file agents of the FBI are not to blame for their bosses' crimes."

This is absolutely not what anyone needs to hear. Understanding that the perpetration of this vile and insidious thought that's being planted into the subconscious of the tax payers is why I signed up for an ATS account.

The rank-and-file agents of the FBI have a mandate to stop White Collar and Organized Crime. They have utterly failed this mandate.

The President needs to stand up. He needs to announce a public order to the FBI and he needs to do it just like this:

"You will arrest everyone involved in the White Collar Crimes that have occurred since the campaigns for the Presidential Election of 2016 began. You have exactly one week to begin taking the criminals into custody. If you fail: The FBI (all 35,000 of you Agents of The Law) are fired.

Link

So you want the President of the US to order the FBI to start arresting people, without due process?

Thank Jebus for the constitution and rights that protect us from exactly that sort of thing.

a reply to: introvert

🤔 Arrests are part of due /process/.

😵

a reply to: Deplorable

If a person's view was that the 3 letter agencies are there for us sheep, this whole revelation must be very uncomfortable. If you view these agencies as protecting the state/private corporations/mafia against competition, they are doing exactly what they were created to do.

I see the reactions from the latter as 'what took you guys so long to wake up'? 'You expect this system to reform itself'? "Where is my popcorn'?

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: introvert

🤔 Arrests are part of due /process/.

😵

Not necessarily.

Depends on whether or not you have rights and a mechanism in which to assert them.

Again, glad we have that in the US so people cannot do such a thing without consequences.

a reply to: Deplorable



From YOUR LINK......

The American people, Congress and the president should sit back and allow Special Counsel Mueller to do his work. This nation has an interest in making sure that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s intelligence thugs and mobbed-up oligarchs do not influence our political processes.

that is what your link says.....

a reply to: Deplorable

You're just making yourself look stupid.

The vast majority of FBI agents are out working at regional field offices. Working on organized crime, sex trafficking, serial killers, extremist groups and anything else that crosses state lines.

99% of them are not involved in the shenanigans going on in D.C.

You really should educate yourself on a topic before spouting off nonsense and calling for mass firings.

The greater good the agency does unfortunately gets overshadowed by politically motivated wrongdoing at the higher levels, usually led by partisan appointees and infiltration from whichever party has the executive branch at the time.

The greater good the agency has done and continues to do by people who came in with and maintain good intentions and sound principles shouldn't be tarnished by things they cannot possibly control.

imo

a reply to: watchitburn

Well that's the problem. Maybe 99% of them should be investigating Trump. Then maybe they could find something, or maybe not

a reply to: Deplorable

The gubent is going to fire itself, huh? As funny as the phony shutdowns.

Dog and pony show for the masses. They're all corrupt to the bone.

a reply to: watchitburn

99% of them are not involved in the shenanigans going on in D.C. [./quote]
But their office is in DC and the vipers pit is in DC...

Nose back to the grindstone, only concern is former politicans and what they did wrong.

Like start endless wars round the globe , for instance. They are all guilty of that ongoing.

Like build endless debt at home, run by oligarchs thru lobbies of Corporations.

But nah, just one memo-memo-memo.

originally posted by: testingtesting
You assume Trump is clean.

I don't think anybody believes Trump is clean.

Trump himself, went on national television, and claimed that he had to deal with the "lowest of the low"..which many speculate meant "The Russian Mafia"...in his business dealings.

Considering the nature of Trump's business, building real estate assets, and the decades of his operations, it's clear that he had to deal with this type of underworld, in order to succeed.

From his own actions and words, we see that he has no morals, and can stand in front of his Wife and American people and preach "family values" while rolling in the hay with porn stars, and taking pics with them, so he's not hiding his lack of morals. Rather, he's proud of it. Boasting of grabbing women by the Billy Bush to Billy Bush etc..So, Trump is not "clean" by any measure of society.

But, on the other hand, he seems "honest" that he isn't clean. He says publicly that "he's not a perfect person", and when he "lies", he lies openly, which again, is a kind of honesty. We know when Trump is lying, because he lies in an "obvious" way, so that the News Media then run to "fact check" him, and get to point out all his lies. So, Trump is an honest liar. He knows, that we know, he's lying. There's nothing "subtle" nor "deceptive" about Trump. He doesn't release his tax returns, because he knows it'll reveal some of his other obvious lies, like how wealthy he is, etc..He knows that we know that he's not as rich as he says he is, but he doesn't want us to get "proof" of that.

So, in one sense, we may judge Trump to be "more clean" than many other politicians, since most corrupt politicians are "subtle" and "deceptive" and "hide" their corruption behind a "straight face" of "pretend moral righteousness".

So, instinctively, the people like Trump, despite his obvious flaws, and particularly because his flaws are "obvious."

It's a refreshing contrast to the "sneaky backroom corrupt dealings" that plague the political environment otherwise.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Deplorable

The vast majority of FBI agents are out working at regional field offices. Working on organized crime, sex trafficking, serial killers, extremist groups and anything else that crosses state lines.

99% of them are not involved in the shenanigans going on in D.C.

You really should educate yourself on a topic before spouting off nonsense and calling for mass firings.

Exactly. It appears that some who are offering suggestions don't actually know what these agencies do, what they can NOT do, and what processes they are allowed under the Constitution - and what constitutes "proof of a crime."

Nor do they seem to understand that the rules and processes weren't just made by someone sitting down in a chair and thinking abut things - they come from centuries of people breaking rules in unexpected ways.

a reply to: Deplorable

No offense but have you ever worked at a large company before? Merely working at an organization doesn't mean you automatically know everything that's going on there. The FBI has different departments and branches, just like a corporation does. Many jobs have nothing to do with each other, every employee has their own daily work duties to account for, and most FBI employees will never even meet each other.

For example, the FBI's official site says there are around 35,000 FBI employees. And they have field offices all over the country (here's a map) and also have offices overseas (here's another map).

So what can an FBI foreign language analyst (THIS) in South Africa do about corruption in DC? How is an FBI forensic accountant (THIS) in Greece going to stop a secret internal surveillance program in NYC? Not only do they have their own job duties to worry about, but they wouldn't have any connection to those incidences in the first place nor the capability, authority, or tools to go after them anyway.

And then there are the constitutional rights of accused criminals. What good is there in going after potential criminals if you're breaking the laws when you go after them? Commit a crime to potentially catch a criminal? Ironically, the FBI has done illegal things like that before (like COINTELPRO), and there were massive public and legal backlashes for doing it. Whether you mean to or not, you're basically suggesting an unconstitutional internal witch hunt with legal ramifications similar to COINTELPRO. No thanks.

This pretty much says it all:



So...um...yeah.