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New Photos Show Vegas Shooter's Grisly Final Scene

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posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 03:19 AM
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a reply to: CharlesT

The rooms suggest insanity to me. Try and imagine Paddock piling up all the weapons and thinking what he would do next was a rational thing to do. With its closed curtains and shell cases, it's as if the room itself was set adrift from reality like his mind. For whatever reason, his mind was misfiring and sending crazy signals because very, very few people could have stood in the suite and not felt completely certain that something was wrong.

Scuba mask and planned escape? It puts me in mind of the end of the movie Leon. I wonder if Paddock had ever watched it?




posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 06:05 AM
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I read this and wondered about the pictures i never saw before.

Nevertheless, there are too much inconsistencies and "coincidences" in this case. No chance that anything the official story tells us could be the only one truth.



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 06:21 AM
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a reply to: CharlesT

So now they are saying they found child porn on his computer. Thought they originally said the laptop had a missing hard drive. I don't recall there being any reporting of a second lap top, or did I miss that? Why would you even need two laptops?

Also, if he was an arms dealer, which would make sense considering the number of guns and how rich he was, why would they be scattered all over the place and piled up? Surely they would be neatly laid out to display to the buyer. It also doesn't make sense that they would be scattered if he intended to use them in his killing spree to save on reload time, they would be placed near him in groups, with some thrown in a pile a bit further away or to the other side so he didn't pick up an empty one. If he was planning an escape, maybe a gun or two at strategic points on his escape route.

Just does not make sense.



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 07:03 AM
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I didn't see any bump stocks on those AR's. I would love better pictures because what I see is mostly Magpul fixed stocks, and they cannot contribute to auto fire. I smell a rat. I would love to see close up photos of each weapon. I think their is much more going on here.

The magazines are SureFire 100 round high-capacity magazine for 5.56x45 mm (.223 Remington) ammunition, also available in a 60-round version, is compatible with M4/M16/AR-15 variants and other firearms that accept standard STANAG 4179 mag.

These weapons look like high end military units, not your garden verity home build. I suspect they are complete full auto units from someone's military or LEO supply room.
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posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: CharlesT


I have seen most of these pics on Liveleak .com.......Including video of right after the shooting and all the dead bodies. that is "Grisly" I wont post the link, because its up to the user if they want to see it or not. Personally I wish I had not watched. Not once but twice.




posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: kurthall


Kurt- You bring up an excellent point. I was diagnosed w/PTSD in the Fall of 2004 and it is something little things could/can cause a reaction. There is no way to "Un See" pictures of results of abhorrent behavior.

Good looking out for Your fellow members.



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
looks staged doesn't it?

STFU

Everything there points to all the earlier rumors being true. The hammer used to knockout both windows, the number of large capacity magazines on a plethora of different rifles (attributing to all the different sounds people claim 'proved' there was more than one shooter). Bullet holes in the door (blown off its hinges by entry charges) camera in the peephole, ready rack of rifles all laid out, scattered empties, and exploder bullet targets .



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: kurthall

I saw them on 4chan. Yes they have grue in them, but they also tell a story.

How does a man shoot himself in the head over a floor full of she'll casings and not get any blood or brain matter on top of the shell casings?

The casings are sitting neatly in pools of congealing blood. Now just how in the hell does that work?

Any serviceman who has seen combat can tell you this complete b.s.

Looks to me like someone dumped a body and sprinkled shells all around it. Pretty hard for those shells to be on top of the blood when they were fired BEFORE he killed himself. ...

And the sound is another thing, in the numerous videos you can here the shots. Again any serviceman can tell you the sound and rate of fire is completely wrong for any variation of anything firing a 5.56 round.
It's a dead match for a 7.62 round, as is the rate of fire for weapons commonly used to fire that round.

This whole deal smells real fishy.

And I'm not trying to promote grue on the site , I just don't know how to expound my point without mentioning some of it.

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posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 10:11 AM
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For a psychopath on an insane rampage, everything looks very neat and tidy. He did a very good job of not making an entire mess of the place. His mother would be proud.

Or, he didn’t do it and this is all staged.

I’m going with the latter.

Good lord, can someone show just one video or pic for that matter — of gunfire coming from Paddocks rooms on the 32nd floor. With all the surveillance in Vegas and thousands of cell phones at the concert — and not one pic or video.... That alone, is the smoking gun of a setup. Paddocks a patsy.

In addition, I find it odd that the room service cart looks untouched and still close to Paddocks door. Wouldn’t SWAT discard this down the hall on entry. If nothing else, to make space for the teams breaching the room? Camera neatly placed under a plate. Looks like it hasn’t been touched. I don’t see this as being possible, with the chaos we were told took place. Or maybe the SWAT team was very tidy as well. Their mothers would be proud too. Sorry, not buying it.



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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As we reported last week, Paddock seemingly emailed himself discussing firearms, as revealed in an unsealed warrant; "Investigators have been unable to figure out why Stephen Paddock would be exchanging messages related to weapons that were utilized in the attack between two of his email accounts. Conversely, if the Target Account was not controlled by Stephen Paddock, investigators need to determine who was communicating with him about weapons that were used in the attack," according to a warrant. In an email sent from Paddock's Microsoft Live email account, "centralpark1@live.com" to "centralpark4804@gmail.com," Paddock wrote "try and ar before u buy. we have huge selection. located in the las vegas area." The "centralpark4804" account wrote back "we have a wide variety of optics and ammunition to try." Paddock emailed back "for a thrill try out bumpfire ar's with a 100 round magazine.


What? Now come on, this is what they should be investigating



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: Taggart

That's the equivalent of when fbi is investigating the fbi for wrongdoing....

Something tells me a competent hacker could backtrack through all the data and find the origin of the emails is an alphabet soup contractor.
Maybe somebody like the Anwar bros....



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: Hewhowaits
a reply to: Taggart

That's the equivalent of when fbi is investigating the fbi for wrongdoing....

Something tells me a competent hacker could backtrack through all the data and find the origin of the emails is an alphabet soup contractor.
Maybe somebody like the Anwar bros....


I've been racking my brain why HE would do it, and the only logical explanation would be to send things from say his Phone Email to his Computer email etc, but that's flimsy at best.

As for your comment about a hacker sorting it out, Gmail or Hotmail (live) could tell what device they were sent from, when and likely where.

To me, this bit of info along with the 'resurfaced' missing Harddrive now complete with Child porn are big red flags for now.

I went off the conspiracy aspects but it seems like they aren't even trying here and just making it up as they go along.



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: KKLOCO
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Good lord, can someone show just one video or pic for that matter — of gunfire coming from Paddocks rooms on the 32nd floor. With all the surveillance in Vegas and thousands of cell phones at the concert — and not one pic or video.... That alone, is the smoking gun of a setup. Paddocks a patsy.

...



I already posted that evidence in the older thread.
Here is a link to the ATS thread post I made with the video link, Vegas was a single shooter and here is the simple explanation.: posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 12:26 AM


edit on 1/21/2018 by Krakatoa because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 12:20 PM
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I appreciate the reply. However, I’m not seeing anything that your arrows point out. I see the room being dimly lit in a couple pics — as opposed to being dark in others. With the amount of rounds fired, this being the only evidence, doesn’t satisfy a 600 round shooting spree. It looks like someone turned a low voltage light on, then off.

I was in Vegas 2 weeks after this transpired. I did visit the scene (from roughly from the same distance as the concert). I can assure that at nighttime, muzzle flash would have been easily distinguishable from a light. It’s fairly dark being towards the end of the strip. Not to mention the repetition would have been more like a strobe light, than a consistent illumination.

Maybe I am missing what you’re pointing out.

reply to: Krakatoa



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: KKLOCO
I appreciate the reply. However, I’m not seeing anything that your arrows point out. I see the room being dimly lit in a couple pics — as opposed to being dark in others. With the amount of rounds fired, this being the only evidence, doesn’t satisfy a 600 round shooting spree. It looks like someone turned a low voltage light on, then off.

I was in Vegas 2 weeks after this transpired. I did visit the scene (from roughly from the same distance as the concert). I can assure that at nighttime, muzzle flash would have been easily distinguishable from a light. It’s fairly dark being towards the end of the strip. Not to mention the repetition would have been more like a strobe light, than a consistent illumination.

Maybe I am missing what you’re pointing out.

reply to: Krakatoa



Did you watch the video as well? I did, numerous times when I compiled those stills. The gunfire sounds correspond to the flashes from the window in the same location as Paddocks room. That is no coincidence, it is fact. And, this isn't the only video of its kind posted here at ATS either.

I provided your answer with evidence to back it up. But, since it does not match your idea of the events, it is useless? Do you have anything of substance to provide other than your opinion?



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 12:54 PM
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Yes, I did watch the video multiple times. How could you possibly correspond flashes of gunfire to sounds of gunfire from a clip of video that lasts literally a couple seconds? Where are the videos showing sustained footage longer than two seconds? Sorry Krakatoa, I’m not the only one on ATS that has consistently posed this conundrum.

In response to your last question, no, I can’t prove or show footage of something NOT happening. As previously mentioned, with all the cameras around (thousands), if this is the best footage we have — I’m not buying it. There are literally cameras pointed in every direction anywhere you go in Vegas. Being almost 4 months later, and this is the best we have just doesn’t ‘satisfy’ me, as you put it. How could something so ambiguous ‘satisfy’ you?

Just so we are clear, I’m mot denying that shots were fired from Paddocks suite. I’m denying the narrative that 600 rounds were fired, over a 10 minute time span, JUST from that suite. As many other videos suppport multiple shooters from multiple locations. No need to post here, they have been all over ATS, I’m sure you’ve seen them.



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: Krakatoa

Yes, I did watch the video multiple times. How could you possibly correspond flashes of gunfire to sounds of gunfire from a clip of video that lasts literally a couple seconds? Where are the videos showing sustained footage longer than two seconds? Sorry Krakatoa, I’m not the only one on ATS that has consistently posed this conundrum.

In response to your last question, no, I can’t prove or show footage of something NOT happening. As previously mentioned, with all the cameras around (thousands), if this is the best footage we have — I’m not buying it. There are literally cameras pointed in every direction anywhere you go in Vegas. Being almost 4 months later, and this is the best we have just doesn’t ‘satisfy’ me, as you put it. How could something so ambiguous ‘satisfy’ you?

Just so we are clear, I’m mot denying that shots were fired from Paddocks suite. I’m denying the narrative that 600 rounds were fired, over a 10 minute time span, JUST from that suite. As many other videos suppport multiple shooters from multiple locations. No need to post here, they have been all over ATS, I’m sure you’ve seen them.


So, you have nothing but your opinion to prove your perspective of the situation.
Any other evidence show to you is insufficient to meet your personal burden of proof since it does not validate your opinion.
You have already convinced yourself that there is no way this was a one person job.

That doesn't sound like someone looking for the truth or an answer. It sounds to me like someone that has such a closed mind that anything that jeopardizes that personal narrative is suspect and insufficient.

Not too biased there, are you?

I guess now I will be labeled a "shill" or other derogatory remark form someone here because I believe we follow the evidence we have to find that answer with no preconceived notion of the end result.



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 01:32 PM
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I think all the photos of "Paddock" and "Danley", and the "Room" were staged well before the actual shootings.

Too many loopholes in police calls, time frames, etc.

Too many slip-ups and conflicting reports by investigators etc.

We have seen several videos with audible gunshots and views of that "Room" and no flashes from the "Broken" windows.

Not buying the "Official Story" on this one.

There's more the the names "Paddock" and "Danley" than we're being "told".

A LOT more.




posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 02:36 PM
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You are very quick to 'label' me here. More importantly, you attack my character as an investigator. I've had no beef with you. I made no negative remarks regarding you, or your character. Yet, this is your tactics. Hmmm, you mentioned Shill, not me...

If I had such a 'closed mind', I wouldn't have been on this site the last 9 years. Please find some posts, comments or replies of mine that could even merit such a label. I have kept my opinions to myself, until just recently. It was finally time to join the party.

You're right, you showed two seconds of unstable footage of a dim light in Paddock's room. Case closed. Nothing to see here, move on... You proved nothing.

I'm not sure if you are looking for proof. Or are you just here to argue and compartmentalize? If you are looking for proof, How about answering the logical questions that I posed:

1. "How could you possibly correspond flashes of gunfire to sounds of gunfire from a clip of video that lasts literally a couple seconds?"

2. "Where are the videos showing sustained footage longer than two seconds?"

3. "Being almost 4 months later, and this is the best we have just doesn’t ‘satisfy’ me, as you put it. How could something so ambiguous ‘satisfy’ you?"

Again, these questions were not posed to insult your character. They were posed because I was genuinely curious. The fact that you find minimal pics and and 2 second video as undeniable proof of the official narrative is concerning all in itself, to be an objective investigator. I questioned the official narrative in my post (not you), I never claimed to have the answers. You on the other hand, seem to be very firm in your belief that your own analyzation of the pics and video are 100% fact. Who is being an nonobjective investigator here?

Now, how about you actually address my questions? Instead of spending your time labeling and insulting.



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: SkeptiSchism


Sledgehammers will do that.


Right sledgehammers that require 10 minutes of constant beating to break, go to 3:20 that's about the specification for hurricane proof glass.



Yet another piece of evidence that makes the official story seem ridiculous. He cleanly shot out not one but 2 hurrican proof windows and if he did not shoot them out he took a hammer to them...WAIT WHAT???

No shattered glass on the outside of the Hotel that I saw btw...



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